Enhancement Bonues Price vs Flat Price Bonuses

[Opuk0]

Problem

Delving is under the +3 armor abilities but costs a flat +10,000

Ghost Touch is under the same cost and the cost is given as +3 enhancement bonus

Does Delving still count as a +3 enhancement bonus?

[Maezer]

Its position on the table is purely for random creation properties. Its cost is on +10,000 as you can read in its entry.

[Opuk0]

What about for purposes of determining total armor enhancement bonus? Does it become a +4 total assuming it's a +1 armor with delving? Or does it stay at +1 enhancement total?

[Diodric]

No, its a +1 Delving armor. But for costs purposes (IIRC) it acts as a +3 modifier to find the cost of adding the additional +1 bonus. Also, remember that weapons and armor (again IIRC) can't have more than a +10 total modifier between "+s" and special armor abilities.

[Opuk0]

So I couldn't have Delving Armor with an additional +10 total enhancement bonus? It'd be considered +13 at that point?

[Starbuck_II]

Opuk0 wrote:

So I couldn't have Delving Armor with an additional +10 total enhancement bonus? It'd be considered +13 at that point?

Since it isn't a +3, you can have +10 total armor with Delving.

[Opuk0]

Were I to sell it, would I sell it for the cost of a +1 armor+10,000 gold for the delving? Or sell it as though it were a +4 total bonus armor?

[wraithstrike]

No. You would sell it for half the cost it takes to buy +1 delving armor.

[Opuk0]

So it only counts as +3 for the purposes of the +10 total bonus limit?

[Maezer]

Opuk0 wrote:

So it only counts as +3 for the purposes of the +10 total bonus limit?

No. It only counts as +3 if you are trying to randomly generate a +3 property on a weapon. For all other purposes its just a flat +10,000gp.

[Opuk0]

Well I was going off what Diodric said, which is why I was asking.

[Weirdo]

Diodric is incorrect.

+1 Delving armour costs 11,000gp and sells for 5,500gp (not counting cost of the relevant masterwork armour).

Delving does not count against the total enhancement of the armour.

[Diodric]

Ah, whoops. I apparently need to go back and refresh myself on that part, then. My apologies for the confusion I caused!

[DM_Blake]

There seems to be some confusion here.

Delving is NOT a +3 (effective) armor bonus, nor is it calculated like one when determining the costs.

To calculate the price of any magical armor, simply add up the abilities that actually ARE +x abilities to get a total for the +x. Look up that price (or use the formula of x^2 * 1,000gp). Then add any flat-price abilities like Delving to the calculated cost to derive a final price.

So, for example, +4 Delving armor of Heavy Fortification would cost 91,000gp: +4 enchantment plus +5 effective value of Heavy Fortification = +9 effective bonus. 9^2 = 81 * 1,000gp = 81,000gp, + 10,000 for Delving = 91,000gp final cost (not counting the base price of the masterwork armor). This armor is effectively +9, not +12.

As Maezer said above, Delving is only on the same table as the +3 abilities so that there is a way to roll random armors with this ability (and putting it on this table instead of some other table sets the relative rarity of Delving compared to the rarities of other abilities).