Bonded wand of Heroism for a PFS bard


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I just picked up Eldritch Heritage (arcane) on my level 7 bard, and for the bonded item, I'd like to do a wand, and enchant it as a wand of heroism. Since I'm crafting it myself, does that mean I bypass the usual requirement of getting it as a Wizard spell, and can get it as a 2nd-level spell at CL4? That would be a huge discount, letting me craft it for only 3000 gp, so I wanted to double-check to make sure that's how it would work. Am I missing anything?

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Hmmm.. I THINK thats how it would work.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Baltic

Yeah, in a home campaign that would be logical. In a PFS setting, it wouldn't work RAW.

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Auke Teeninga wrote:
In a PFS setting, it wouldn't work RAW.

Care to explain?

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Joseph Kellogg wrote:
Auke Teeninga wrote:
In a PFS setting, it wouldn't work RAW.
Care to explain?

RAW any magic item that can be made by a wizard, druid or cleric is valued as if it were made by a wizard, druid or cleric.

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The Guide to Organized Play wrote:
If a caster later wishes to upgrade an existing bonded item, he may do so for the cost (not price) of the final item as listed in the item's statblock.

Ordinarily, a wizard is enchanting his own bonded item, but the GtOP kind of sounds like he's just getting a discount. But if I'm crafting it myself, I should be able to use my own level 2 heroism.

Grand Lodge 4/5

I believe the stumbling block is here.

Quote:
All potions, scrolls, wands, and other consumables are made by clerics, druids, or wizards in Pathfinder Society Organized Play. The only exceptions are spells that are not on the cleric, druid, or wizard spell list.

Since there is no caveat in the bonded item rules about bards being allowed to use their own spell list, you have to use the wizard spell list.

The final cost of the item is calculated as if a wizard were crafting it.

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Steven Schopmeyer wrote:

I believe the stumbling block is here.

Quote:
All potions, scrolls, wands, and other consumables are made by clerics, druids, or wizards in Pathfinder Society Organized Play. The only exceptions are spells that are not on the cleric, druid, or wizard spell list.

Since there is no caveat in the bonded item rules about bards being allowed to use their own spell list, you have to use the wizard spell list.

The final cost of the item is calculated as if a wizard were crafting it.

So you're saying that, rather than enchanting my own bonded item, I'm getting a wizard to enchant it for me at half price?

Grand Lodge 4/5

No, I'm saying that even when enchanting it yourself you use the cost as if it were a wizard spell.

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/55/5 **** Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria

It is just one of those PFS rules, you can't even "craft" your own bonded item until you could afford to buy the item at the regular price.

If you end up crafting a wand, might I suggest a wand of :

Channel the Gift wrote:

School evocation; Level bard 3, cleric/oracle 3, druid 3, ranger 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3

CASTING

Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, DF

EFFECT

Range touch
Target ally spellcaster touched
Duration 1 round or see text
Saving Throw Will negates (harmless) or none; Spell Resistance yes (harmless) or no

DESCRIPTION

You channel your magical power to fuel the target's spellcasting.

The next spell the target casts of 3rd level or lower does not expend a spell slot; in effect, you are using your spell slot to power the target's spell. The target must start casting this spell before your next turn, and the spell cannot have a casting time longer than 1 full round. Your alignment, prohibited wizard school, and other restrictions on your own spellcasting do not affect the target, nor do you suffer any backlash from the target's choice of spell.

If you target yourself with this spell, you may spontaneously cast any prepared spell of 3rd level or lower without expending its spell slot on your next turn (this aspect of the spell has no effect if you are a spontaneous caster). The spell that's cast after channel the gift cannot have a casting time longer than 1 full round.

This way you can benefit from a possible caster level increase, and have quite a lot of versatility when it comes to your adventuring companions.

As written I am not sure, that the spell actually works when spontaneous casters use it on themselves, but if it works...

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