Buying DR Improvements


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Shadow Lodge

In this thread it was pointed out that you can effectively buy DR/- for 5K per point, the cost of adamantine armour. However, this doesn't stack with the DR gained by a barbarian or bloodrager.

There are lots of ways to buy improvements to your AC. Is it possible to buy improvements to DR, or is it only possible to improve DR through feats and rage powers?

Liberty's Edge

As far as I know, which is not a whole lot, Adamantine is all you got.

I'm similarly interested, I have a Magus who I'm trying to make less squishy.

Shadow Lodge

Yeah, trying to increase my defenses and feeling a bit discouraged because the paladin recently got adamantine full plate (about half his wealth at level 7). He now has the DR of a 13th level barbarian, and all other things equal, the AC of a raging barbarian who spent the same 16K on +4 breastplate.

The barbarian isn't set up for great AC between the rage penalty and medium armour use (proficiency and losing fast movement in heavy). DR is supposed to help make up for that but unless you're an Invulnerable Rager or spend a lot of rage powers on Increased DR it's not all that significant.

Beast Totem mostly makes up for the AC gap & I'm strongly considering Increased DR but I was hoping there was something I'd missed.

Are you thinking of getting adamantine armour for your Magus?

Liberty's Edge

Eventually I'm thinking about it, right now I'm only level 4 so I really don't see any point in picking up a Adamantine Chain Shirt. Honestly, I probably won't go that route until I can wear Heavy Armor and get Adamantine Full Plate, which is why I was curious too, as that's 9 levels away.

I wouldn't feel too discouraged, the Paladin is meant to be that tough dude. Barbarians are like the Hulk, you don't need the defense, you just SMASH. But I understand where you're coming from. That Paladin did blow a significant amount of money though.

I would just do what you can to keep your AC up and then focus on killing things quickly. Buy the Rage Powers that help when you can. Unfortunately I don't think there is much else to be done for it.

I think the problem is it would be cheaper to just buy all the cheap upgrades for AC and the like than it would be to go through doing things like Potions/Wands, and a lot of the lower level good spells are personal.

Shadow Lodge

DinosaursOnIce wrote:
Eventually I'm thinking about it, right now I'm only level 4 so I really don't see any point in picking up a Adamantine Chain Shirt. Honestly, I probably won't go that route until I can wear Heavy Armor and get Adamantine Full Plate, which is why I was curious too, as that's 9 levels away.

Yeah, I'd wait until you can get heavier armour, too. Though it seems the small number of things that stack DR treat class feature DR differently from armour DR (Stalwart stacks with class feature DR but not armour DR, while the Stalwart Defender gets DR that stacks with armour but not class features) so things that would help me wouldn't necessarily help you.

DinosaursOnIce wrote:
I wouldn't feel too discouraged, the Paladin is meant to be that tough dude. Barbarians are like the Hulk, you don't need the defense, you just SMASH. But I understand where you're coming from.

Problem is, enemies don't always attack the toughest character first.

DinosaursOnIce wrote:
That Paladin did blow a significant amount of money though.

Like I said, about half his wealth. It's actually important to his character concept.

DinosaursOnIce wrote:

I would just do what you can to keep your AC up and then focus on killing things quickly. Buy the Rage Powers that help when you can. Unfortunately I don't think there is much else to be done for it.

I think the problem is it would be cheaper to just buy all the cheap upgrades for AC and the like than it would be to go through doing things like Potions/Wands, and a lot of the lower level good spells are personal.

We've got an alchemist in the party, so I've had access to a Shield infusion from about level 3. Then my GM let me retrain to primalist bloodrager when the ACG came out (level 5) so I'm starting to self-buff as well. But that means that I have to wait until level 8 to get Beast Totem, which means my AC is lagging if I can't pre-buff (half the time). Between a reach weapon and Snake Style (+17 sense motive) I've actually got really solid defenses in other areas and that's kind of the point of the build, but Snake Style is limited to once a round and not until after my first turn in combat, and the reach weapon doesn't do much against ranged attackers until I can get in their face.

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