Iron Shod Spear- Weapon accessory / Exotic Spear Proficiency (Spear)


Homebrew and House Rules


so after reading the wonderful thread:

why is the spear not a double weapon:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq1a?Why-is-the-Spear-not-a-double-weapon#1
I came up with an idea (listed below) I am a player, but I have the sanction of the DM to come up with some ideas for my character- I feel this isnt overwhelmingly powerful, as it winds up basically being another version of the double axe or two bladed sword. Without further Adieu I give you:

Weapon Accessory:

Iron Shod- 20gp +2lbs

A part cylinder of Iron (or other applicable metal) That slides over the butt end of any spear and is fastened by rivets or screws (DC 15 craft weapon check to attach or remove, however, after removing the iron shod the spear becomes an improvised weapon unless it is repaired with a DC 20 craft weapon check) it then allows the Spear to be used as a double weapon (same stats as spear, changing P to B for but end) and can be enchanted as normal as a weapon, however, unless the bearer has Exotic weapon proficiency (Spear) they suffer a -4 non-proficiency bonus

note, an iron shod cannot be used on a shortspear or longspear, it can however be used on a Boar spear

additionally adding an Iron shod unbalances a spear for throwing and this can only be thrown as an improvised weapon

Feat:

Exotic proficiency Spear

Removes the non-proficiency penalty for using the Iron Shod on a spear, and the spear gains the trip feature (if you fail to trip an opponent by 10 or more you can drop the weapon instead of falling prone)

what do you all think? is adding the trip too much? I didnt think so as its honestly not all that powerful but nice to have the option

Verdant Wheel

balance wise, anything that is Simple Weapon Proficiency + Extra Feat ought to about put the utility of the spear on par with Simple WP + Improved Unarmed Strike.

So, yes, I'd allow it in my game. Complicating question:

Is your intent to threaten both adjacent and at reach?


I find myself wondering how someone with a two-ended weapon actually executes repeated piercing attacks; all double raw weapons that are capable of doing pierce damage that I know of (Dwarven Urgosh, Gnome hooked Hammer, monk's spade) do pierce damage only on one end; The Urgosh is similar to what you are describing, but in that it has an axe head at one end. If you can think of a way to wield it, I'd allow it.

Mechanically, you're getting away with a bit of cheese; the cheapest double weapon that does 1d8/1d8 has a gp cost of 60 gold, (Orcish double axe) while yours would have a compound cost of 25. The check does not mitigate the value imo. If you make the iron shod weigh 4 lbs instead of 2, and increase the cost to 45, I'd ballpark it as fair. Increase in weight is due to previously matching the lightest weight double 1d8/1d8 weapon at 10 lbs.

to answer your question Rainzax, though it is not my character, mechanically i would suggest no, since the only applicable boar spear does not have reach on the base.

Liberty's Edge

Pseudos wrote:

I find myself wondering how someone with a two-ended weapon actually executes repeated piercing attacks; all double raw weapons that are capable of doing pierce damage that I know of (Dwarven Urgosh, Gnome hooked Hammer, monk's spade) do pierce damage only on one end; The Urgosh is similar to what you are describing, but in that it has an axe head at one end. If you can think of a way to wield it, I'd allow it.

Mechanically, you're getting away with a bit of cheese; the cheapest double weapon that does 1d8/1d8 has a gp cost of 60 gold, (Orcish double axe) while yours would have a compound cost of 25. The check does not mitigate the value imo. If you make the iron shod weigh 4 lbs instead of 2, and increase the cost to 45, I'd ballpark it as fair. Increase in weight is due to previously matching the lightest weight double 1d8/1d8 weapon at 10 lbs.

to answer your question Rainzax, though it is not my character, mechanically i would suggest no, since the only applicable boar spear does not have reach on the base.

IMO, base weapon price and weight are trivial balance points, to the point that they are a complete non-issue as long as they aren't obviously silly (like 0 or negative). Just do whatever seems semi-realistic, because that's all those values are really there for.

As for the weapon itself, I'd imagine it would act more like (P or S) or S/B. If you double-weapon a spear, you're not really stabbing with it so much as slashing with the bladed portion. A double-weapon spear would have to have a longer head on it to allow this, but it's doable. That said, if mixing stab+slash works for the Urgosh, I see no reason that Stab+Whack wouldn't work for a double spear (which would simplify it to P/B). I am struggling to see how stab+slash works for Urgosh, though, so there's that... It was my thought that Urgosh was supposed to simply be an axe that could be braced using the pointy bit on the bottom, but I guess not.

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