Aqueous Orb : what happens when the orb is full and other questions.

[Aloysius34]

1) Suppose an Aqueous Orb roll over dozen of goblins. What happens once 16 goblins are in the orb ? Are the other goblins immune to being engulfed ? Are some engulfed goblins ejected ?

2) What happens if a creature is somehow pushed inside an orb that is already full ?

3) If creature dies inside the orb, it cease to be a creature and become a corpse, an object. As Aqueous Orb does not pick objects, is the corpse ejected from the Orb, freeing a place for another victim ?

4) If a creature makes it save to escape the orb, but is ejected on an occupied square, is it pushed back into the orb ? Or does the orb eject creatures only in free squares ? What if there is no free square at all (because of wall, ceilling...)

5) Can a creature pass through the Orb, either by saving after entering the orb, or by entering the Orb while it is already full ?

[mplindustries]

1) Ask your GM

2) Ask your GM

3) Ask your GM

4) Ask your GM

5) Ask your GM

These are all perfectly valid questions, but they are also niche enough to be well beyond the possible scope of rule writing. You can't cover everything, it's just not possible. Ask your GM about corner cases like this.

[Aloysius34]

What if I'm the GM and is looking for some advices about this spell ? I have found plenty of thread dealing with Aqueous Orb other problematic aspects, so I guess that this spell is a favorite of "controler" wizards. And I think that using it against a large number of ennemies is one of its obvious use.

Of course, if you never play in something else than 10 feet wide corridors and 40x40 feet square rooms with no more than 4 NPC/monsters of appropriate CR, this kind of question is somewhat pointless. However, I do think that large scale battles involving armies or mob makes for great adventure's climax. And would like to know how this spell works.

[mplindustries]

If you want my opinion:

1) No, the most recent engulfed goblin would kick out the one that's been engulfed the longest.

2) Same as the above. First one in would get shoved out.

3) Yes.

4) I think I need more detail here. I would normally say they can't get out if there's nowhere to go. However, If orb is holding 16 goblins at the bottom of a 10x10 pit, they would end up, probably on top of the orb of goblins.

5) I would say that when it's full, its impassable, but you can go through it with saves.

[Undone]

Aloysius34 wrote:

1) Suppose an Aqueous Orb roll over dozen of goblins. What happens once 16 goblins are in the orb ? Are the other goblins immune to being engulfed ? Are some engulfed goblins ejected ?

2) What happens if a creature is somehow pushed inside an orb that is already full ?

3) If creature dies inside the orb, it cease to be a creature and become a corpse, an object. As Aqueous Orb does not pick objects, is the corpse ejected from the Orb, freeing a place for another victim ?

4) If a creature makes it save to escape the orb, but is ejected on an occupied square, is it pushed back into the orb ? Or does the orb eject creatures only in free squares ? What if there is no free square at all (because of wall, ceilling...)

5) Can a creature pass through the Orb, either by saving after entering the orb, or by entering the Orb while it is already full ?

1) Yes but as you roll over the targets one by one and fill it. After it is full you can use the orb to reposition targets. However it must vomit out others otherwise it functions similarly to Flaming sphere (In the square but able to occupy it with them)

2) It fails to engulf them. This is the easiest.

3) This is not the case. It still takes up a spot because the orb cares about the size of material. However it can easily eject them.

4) If it is say at the bottom of a 10 foot pit and escapes it's immune to the instant regrabbing of the orb. It will need to make a save at the end of it's turn because thats the timing of the save.

5) Yes.