Ranged weapons used as melee weapons and other effects

[Velxir]

So say I have a weapon from the ranged category, like a chakram or a javelin, how can I tell what hand category it applies to?

This is important because you can have 4 light weapons or 2 one handed weapons in a blinkback belt, but to knowledge such weapons do not have such categorizations.

Also if I wanted to Two weapon fight with chakram, do I take the one handed penalty or the light weapon penalty?

Are there any rules in place that answer these questions?

[blahpers]

Much like improvised weapons, this would be subject to GM discretion.

[HangarFlying]

Doesn't the javelin already have an allowance for using it in melee?

EDIT: The javelin description says you use it as if you're nonproficient with it, so you would get a -4 to attack but can use its damage and crit modifier.

[CountofUndolpho]

PRD says wrote:

The chakram is a simple, elegant, and highly portable thrown weapon. It is a flat, open-centered metal discus with a sharpened edge. You can wield the chakram as a melee weapon, but it is not designed for such use; you take a –1 penalty on your attack roll with the weapon and must succeed at a DC 15 Reflex save or cut yourself on the blade (half damage, no Strength modifier)

Javelin counts as One Handed doesn't it? I think it's under TWF for thrown weapons. I'll have a look.

[CountofUndolpho]

Under Two Weapon Fighting p202 in the CRB

Quote:

Thrown Weapons: The same rules apply when you

throw a weapon from each hand. Treat a dart or shuriken
as a light weapon when used in this manner, and treat a
bolas, javelin, net, or sling as a one-handed weapon.

Personally I would put Chakram as a Light for throwing (they are 1lb after all) but as a One-handed for melee to account for the awkwardness. That's just an opinion though.

[Velxir]

CountofUndolpho wrote:

Under Two Weapon Fighting p202 in the CRB

Quote:

Thrown Weapons: The same rules apply when you

throw a weapon from each hand. Treat a dart or shuriken
as a light weapon when used in this manner, and treat a
bolas, javelin, net, or sling as a one-handed weapon.

Personally I would put Chakram as a Light for throwing (they are 1lb after all) but as a One-handed for melee to account for the awkwardness. That's just an opinion though.

Thanks for the insight. This is the first bit of RAW I've seen on the matter.

I was hoping they would have expanded which weapons fall into which categories

[CountofUndolpho]

You could take some guidance from the updated Fighter Weapon Groups in the back of the Ultimate Equipment. Chakram shows up under Heavy Blades in there so I presume I'm wrong. As it is a 1-8 damage weapon it would also make sense to make it a One Handed rather than Light Weapon.

[Kazaan]

Don't make a chakram a 1-h weapon because then, it opens up wielding one in 2 hands for 1.5x Str and Power Attack; and that just isn't feasible given the design of the weapon.

[CountofUndolpho]

Good point, yet reality isn't necessarily, or even should be, taken into account in PF.

I mean Studded Leather is really what a Brigandine looks like rather than a real armour, the Bill in UE is a Halberd, how could a Nodachi have Brace? etc.