Does Mending work on burnt objects?


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"This spell repairs damaged objects, restoring 1d4 hit points to the object. If the object has the broken condition, this condition is removed if the object is restored to at least half its original hit points. All of the pieces of an object must be present for this spell to function. Magic items can be repaired by this spell, but you must have a caster level equal to or higher than that of the object. Magic items that are destroyed (at 0 hit points or less) can be repaired with this spell, but this spell does not restore their magic abilities. This spell does not affect creatures (including constructs). This spell has no effect on objects that have been warped or otherwise transmuted, but it can still repair damage done to such items."

Would having all the parts present mean you had all the ashes swept up? What if you had ash from other objects mixed in with the ashes of the thing you were trying to restore?


I think your burned condition can be interpreted as part of 'warped or otherwise transmuted'. Or not.

If it IS part of, then you could still Mend the ashes into the complete burned object, then Prestidigitate the change of unburning. Or not.

If it is NOT part of, then you're restoring damage d4 at a time, and the energy/physical type of that damage is not important. You could in theory unburn the night's firewood for the next night's fire. Or not.

Seems very cool to me, to have such a power.

And my intelligence types have just now started mixing ashes of burned documents, and then portioning the ashes, and dumping them in separated places.

edit: Maybe you can't unburn your firewood, because some of that object went up in smoke, so you no longer have all of it to Mend? That might also go for paper, except it tends to char, not really combust. I suppose we come to the question of how much of that paper was Plot. :)


I think their comes a point at which an object is no longer the object anymore. A shattered sword is able to be mended. A sword that has been melted down and recast into bars probably isn't. Burned to ashes would be in the latter category.

While the 'otherwise transmuted' is probably referring primarily to magic effects, I think it makes sense that it applies to purely physical effects too at a certain point.

I don't know of any specific rule clarifying this, and at the end of the day it would remain a GM call.

Given that the target is 'one object' but it specifically references being able to effect multiple pieces, I would think that in general being able to recognize all the pieces as being part of the same object and recognize that they are all there would be a reasonable requirement. If you can't tell, it is probably too far gone to work...


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Burnt, yes. Ashes, probably not.

Sczarni

This question came up in a PFS scenario I ran recently. The antagonist was caught burning documents. The success conditions were built upon how much of the documents were saved.

I ruled that Mending restored the papers to full-sized sheets, but that the writing on the parts that were burnt away could not be "mended".

If you're talking about fire damage to a larger object, like a Wooden Shield, I'd think that Mending could similarly restore its HP to full, with enough castings.

Sczarni

Mending Text wrote:
This spell repairs damaged objects, restoring 1d4 hit points to the object. If the object has the broken condition, this condition is removed if the object is restored to at least half its original hit points. All of the pieces of an object must be present for this spell to function. Magic items can be repaired by this spell, but you must have a caster level equal to or higher than that of the object. Magic items that are destroyed (at 0 hit points or less) can be repaired with this spell, but this spell does not restore their magic abilities. This spell does not affect creatures (including constructs). This spell has no effect on objects that have been warped or otherwise transmuted, but it can still repair damage done to such items.

Most of the text in the spell seems to imply that it can repair broken or damaged items but I would rule that (completely) burned book is beyond repair. Often in APs and PFS scenarios bad guys try to burn away some documents and incriminating evidence. If the simple mending cantrip can fix such papers, there would be no way to destroy anything in this world of Golarion.

Note: Make Whole also seems unable to completely restore destroyed mundane items, although some magical items can be restored to function.

Adam


Burning an object converts part of the object into heat, light, and various gases. You no longer have all of the pieces of the object, which is a requirement of mending. At best, you could only repair the parts you do have.


Several interesting perspectives. My original question was to look for an answer to the following scenario:

The PCs and bad guys are both looking for the same book. The bad guys have already found what they think is the right book. When the big fight comes, someone is going to forget that they are looking for a book (no, I am not having the bad guys do this, I know my players well enough to say with certainty this is going to happen) and cast fireball, potentially hitting the NPC that has the fake book. There is another NPC who is helping the PCs and can identify the fake as a fake if he can study it.

So, when the inevitable fireball does occur and if it damages the fake book, the PCs are either going to not searh the body and therefore not find the fake book and continue looking for the real one (strange, but it's amazing how often they forget to search bodies), find the real book and try to fix it at which point the friendly NPC can tell them it is the wrong one, or find the real book and assume that they have failed the scenario. No, I am not being a bastard and having the bad guys destroy the book - I'm even making sure that their caster doesn't use any fire spells, but I am fairly sure that the players will forget that they are looking for a flammable object ten minutes into the adventure and am trying to be ready for it.


I would say only very recently burnt things could be fully mended, i.e. if the smoke still hangs in the air nearby. A book burned more than a few minutes before could not be legibly reconstructed.

Incidentally, by Pathfinder game mechanics the book will only be damaged if the NPC holding it rolls a natural 1 on his or her save, and even then his or her other items are likely to be hit first.


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Going back to physics 101 I'd say physical changes can be mended, chemical changes cannot.


Keep Calm and Carrion wrote:

I would say only very recently burnt things could be fully mended, i.e. if the smoke still hangs in the air nearby. A book burned more than a few minutes before could not be legibly reconstructed.

Incidentally, by Pathfinder game mechanics the book will only be damaged if the NPC holding it rolls a natural 1 on his or her save, and even then his or her other items are likely to be hit first.

Yup. Unless the book isn't attended at the time, in which case it's bye-bye, biblio.

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