| dirtyburty0203 |
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I'm here posting this for an official ruling based on the advice of our local Venture Captain.
First, I'm posting a copy of the rules, so that my question is in context...
Grapple Move Action
Move: You can move both yourself and your target up to half your speed. At the end of your movement, you can place your target in any square adjacent to you. If you attempt to place your foe in a hazardous location, such as in a wall of fire or over a pit, the target receives a free attempt to break your grapple with a +4 bonus.
Provoking an Attack of Opportunity: Two kinds of actions can provoke attacks of opportunity: moving out of a threatened square and performing certain actions within a threatened square.
Moving: Moving out of a threatened square usually provokes attacks of opportunity from threatening opponents. There are two common methods of avoiding such an attack—the 5-foot step and the withdraw action.
Keep in mind I'm speaking in reference to two players and one monster. One player being the grappler, one player standing off to the side with a sword, and the monster being grappled.
Now, the argument is such: When a monster moves voluntarily through a threatened area, he provokes an AOO. The idea being, that you are standing there with sword in hand and there's a moment where you see an opening in his defenses and can strike immediately. Does this movement have to be voluntary for this condition to be met? I think common sense tells us no.
Also, I'd like to point out that the rules for the Grapple Move Action do not specify that the movement does or does not provoke attacks of opportunity. ALL other combat maneuvers that involve movement specifically point out that they DO NOT provoke. Is this language left out intentionally because Grapple Moves DO provoke? Or is it simply an oversight?
Scenario explanations:
A) The player standing off to the side, sword in hand, ready to strike, has a monster ignoring him and moving through his threatened area. He strikes with his sword at the opportune moment.
B) The same player standing off to the side, sword in hand, ready to strike, has a monster grappling another player, and gets moved involuntarily through his squares which he threatens. Why can't he strike out the same way?
It would make sense to me that this is a hazardous area, and the monster would get a free attempt to break the grapple just as if being placed in a wall of fire. But, if failing, the player who's area he just moved through, would get an AOO. I would like some information from the powers that be to rule and clarify this one way or the other, please.
Deighton Thrane
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First, how is the monster being moved against his will. Most combat maneuvers that can move an opponent don't provoke unless you have the Greater version of feat for that maneuver.
EDIT - Sorry, I misread that, despite every other maneuver specifically stating that the forced movement does not provoke, the grapple description doesn't state this limitation. So if you manage to move them through an allies threatened area, they should get another attempt to break the grapple, then the ally should be able to take his AoO. It's not really that different from succeeding and doing unarmed damage yourself. At least that what the RAW says, the developers intentions might have been different, or I might have missed something somewhere and been doing this wrong the whole time.