Tiefling languages

[Val'bryn2]

I recently switched over from Hero Lab to PCGen, and was making the character sheet for the character I'm playing in Society, a Tiefling Witch, but I noticed a problem. Hero Lab allowed my character to know the language Tien, which came up while we were playing Quest for Perfection, but PC Gen doesn't list that as an allowed language. Am I just entering something in incorrectly, or can Tieflings not learn Tien without the Linguistics skill?

[RainyDayNinja]

Your best bet is to look at the actual rulebook.

Bestiary wrote:

Tieflings begin play speaking Common and either Abyssal or Infernal. Tieflings with high Intelligence scores can choose any of the following: Abyssal, Draconic, Dwarven, Elven, Gnome, Goblin, Halfling, Infernal, and Orc.

Advanced Race Guide wrote:

Tieflings begin play speaking Common and either Abyssal or Infernal. Tieflings with high intelligence scores can choose from the following: Abyssal, Draconic, Dwarven, Elven, Gnome, Goblin, Halfling, Infernal, and Orc.

[Val'bryn2]

I just didn't know if that was the only languages they got, because by that ruling, no one other than the races who can learn every language can learn the languages of specific regions, no elves speaking Osiriani, and such.

[Jiggy]

That is correct, at least until you put points in Linguistics.

[Dhenn]

Actually, the GTOP has a different answer for PFS. From page 8:

Quote:

Your race and class selection impact

what languages you start with. All characters gain Common as a free language. You gain free languages granted by your race, ethnicity (for humans), and class (e.g., Druidic for druids).If you have a high Intelligence modifier, you may select bonus languages from those listed in your race’s entry in the Core Rulebook and the Modern Human Languages list (The Inner Sea World Guide 251).

Thus any character can learn Osiriani or Tien, even as a bonus language. Ancient Osiriani would still require a point in Linguistics (or a Scarab Sages trait, and possibly another workaround or three).

[Jiggy]

Shazam! Learn something new every day.

[Ascalaphus]

Yeah, that's the problem with CharGen apps. There's always something the designer didn't think of.

[Nylanfs]

Question, are you loading the Inner Sea world guide, or the PFS dataset?

http://jira.pcgen.org/browse/DATA-2150

[Nylanfs]

Ascalaphus wrote:

Yeah, that's the problem with CharGen apps. There's always something the designer didn't think of.

And sometimes the original designers move the goal posts. :)

[LegacyKing]

Yes, moving goal posts is a problem. Luckily, we're adaptable. As long as people raise an issue with us we can usually address it.

[LegacyKing]

Okay, issue implemented. You'll see it in the next autobuild and next release of PCGen. If you need the fix sooner than tomorrow, email me direct: [e-mail]

Cheers,
Andrew