An Inquiry on Touch Injection, Full Attacks, and Every Teenagers Favorite Activity.


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Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

Okay. So, Touch Injection allows you to store a Potion, Poison, or Infusion, and deliver it at a later time via a touch attack. So far, so good.

If I have 2 attacks per round, (Let's say, an 8th level Alchemist at +6/+1 to hit), can you take the first attack with a weapon, and use the second iterative attack as your touch attack to deliver the Injection?

If Yes, can you take that touch attack against yourself, rather than an enemy, thus automatically hitting, and allowing you to buff yourself, and attack in one round? What about a willing ally?

Furthermore, if yes, must iterative attacks be taken in order (i.e. must the +6 attack be taken before the +1 attack?)

Round 2!

An Alchemist with natural weapons can also, as I understand it, deliver a stored potion, poison or extract via Touch Injection when making a Natural Attack.

If my understanding/base assumption is correct, is it possible for an Alchemist with multiple natural attacks (say, 3 from Feral Mutagen) to sacrifice one of his natural attacks to perform a touch attack against himself inject a potion or extract into himself? Again, what about a willing ally in range?

If it's not possible to make a touch attack in this way as part of a full attack action, is it possible to simply perform a normal melee attack against oneself, rolling damage to perform a touch injection? If yes, it ought to be possible to take this attack as a non-lethal attack, while using remaining natural attacks against opponents as lethal, correct?

TL;DR Does Touch Injection offer the ability to get a 'free' spell off during a full attack action?


1) 2 attacks, can the 2nd be the touch attack. Yes, you can choose which attacks are made with what weapons.

2) Could you deliver it to yourself? I think so yes. It would auto-hit.

3) Iterative attacks MUST be taken in order.
"If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest."

4) I would not allow natural weapons to deliver touch injection. Held touch spells will discharge on unarmed/natural attacks, but touch injection holds the liquid in a sac. To me, that is its own touch attack that you make specifically to deliver the touch injection. Like its own weapon basically. That said, you could mix it with natural attacks, but unfortunately due to the rules of mixing attacks, naturals always drop to secondary and all the natural attacks would take a -5 penalty.

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