A Different Type of Question Regarding Swift Actions and Downgrading Actions


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I saw a topic about whether or not a character can "downgrade" a Move or Standard Action into a Swift action. RAW no, you can't do that, and Quicken Spell is a big balance reason not to allow it.

My question is: What about classes that have abilities that started out as a Standard or Move, and eventually "upgrade" to getting it as a Swift? Example: Slayer's Favored Target or an Investigator's Studied Combat. Both of these start as move actions but become swift either with a Talent or just by progressing in the class.

So could an Investigator or Slayer downgrade their move into a swift to use these abilities after they've unlocked the Swift version? Or no? Example: 10th level investigator with the talent that makes Studied Combat a move; Cast a quickened SLA, use a move action to use Studied Combat, imbibe an Extract or make an attack or whatever.


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Most of these abilities say you CAN use the ability as a swift action, but you still retain the ability to use other action types for it.

Studied Target wrote:

A slayer can study an opponent he can see as a move action...

At 7th level, a slayer can study an opponent as a move or swift action.

Studied Combat wrote:
At 4th level, an investigator can use a move action to study a single enemy that he can see.
Quick Study wrote:
Quick Study (Ex): An investigator can use his studied combat ability as swift action instead of a standard action.

(Quick note, the Quick Study ability probably needs errata to say "instead of a move action" because as far as I can tell it is never a standard action to use Studied Combat.)


I imagine only the most pedantic of DMs would rule that Quick Study doesn't work RAW. And that is a game I wouldn't play in.

And thanks for the response, that makes sense.

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