Noticing witch hexes and failed saving throws

[aza9999]

From the core book

Quote:

Succeeding on a Saving Throw: A creature that successfully saves against a spell that has no obvious physical effects feels a hostile force or a tingle, but cannot deduce the exact nature of the attack.

So if a creature succeeds in its saving throw then it knows something happened although it's not sure of the source.

There isn't any text i can find regarding noticing failed saving throws. If you fail something with no obvious physical/visible effects do you not notice?

I'm mainly asking in regard to hexes such as evil eye or misfortune. As supernatural abilities there are no verbal/somatic components meaning I can casually stand around in the middle of the room throwing around evil eye and misfortune with no obvious signs i'm actually doing anything.

If someone fails a saving throw against misfortune do they just suddenly feel clumsy for no discernable reason, or do they realise "someone just did something to me"?

What about slumber? If a guard at his post at night fails against slumber, does he think "i must have dozed off for a minute"?

Thanks for any information that anyone can give to help clarify

[Master of Shadows]

On a failed save there is generally nothing to clue the victim in to the fact that he's failed. As a GM, I try to have all my PC's saves jotted down during game so that for affects that are not obvious, I can roll the save for them. that way, not even the player knows something is amiss.

[Bandw2]

ask your GM.

[aza9999]

Thanks everyone, i'll check with GM, just wanted to make sure there was nothing in RAW i was missing