Which Evasion does Slayer get?

[Dispari Scuro]

At level 10, slayers can pick from advanced slayer talents. One option is: "Rogue and Ninja Advanced Talents: A slayer can select any of the following advanced ninja or rogue talents in place of an advanced slayer talent: deadly sneak, evasion, hunter's surprise, knock-out blow, master of disguise, opportunist, and stealthy sniper. A slayer can select this advanced talent multiple times"

Evasion is not a rogue talent (they already have it) but it is a ninja trick. For ninjas, it only works in light armor. Slayers get medium armor proficiency though. And one of their parent classes is ranger, which also gets Evasion, but THAT Evasion works in medium armor.

So can a slayer use Evasion in medium armor, or no?

[blahpers]

The class feature specifies that you're getting an advanced ninja or rogue talent. Therefore, it stands to reason that what you get is an advanced ninja or rogue talent--in this case, the advanced ninja trick.

[Canthin]

blahpers wrote:

The class feature specifies that you're getting an advanced ninja or rogue talent. Therefore, it stands to reason that what you get is an advanced ninja or rogue talent--in this case, the advanced ninja trick.

Agreed. While it might make sense and not ruin anything for letting them use the "Ranger" version, RAW it is the Ninja trick, which only works with light armor.

[Dispari Scuro]

Canthin wrote:

blahpers wrote:

The class feature specifies that you're getting an advanced ninja or rogue talent. Therefore, it stands to reason that what you get is an advanced ninja or rogue talent--in this case, the advanced ninja trick.

Agreed. While it might make sense and not ruin anything for letting them use the "Ranger" version, RAW it is the Ninja trick, which only works with light armor.

It seems pretty clear that that's what RAW says, but as RAW is often obnoxious I was hoping for a better clarification on the intention. Is it intended for them to get a class ability that conflicts with their proficiencies?

[Richard McGuffin]

Actually, "Evasion" is listed in the ability with a superscript UC indicating to reference Ultimate Combat. This specifies that you are allowed to use only the Ninja version.

It is unfortunate though that they did not allow for use of the ranger version It would make more sense given the flavor of the class.

It is just as unfortunate that they refer to "Rogue and Ninja Advanced Talents" instead of "Advanced Rogue Talents and Advanced Ninja Tricks".

So technically if an evil Rules Lawyer DM really wanted to mess with you he could rule you can't select the ability because there is no such thing as a "Ninja Talent".

[blahpers]

Dispari Scuro wrote:

Canthin wrote:

blahpers wrote:

The class feature specifies that you're getting an advanced ninja or rogue talent. Therefore, it stands to reason that what you get is an advanced ninja or rogue talent--in this case, the advanced ninja trick.

Agreed. While it might make sense and not ruin anything for letting them use the "Ranger" version, RAW it is the Ninja trick, which only works with light armor.

It seems pretty clear that that's what RAW says, but as RAW is often obnoxious I was hoping for a better clarification on the intention. Is it intended for them to get a class ability that conflicts with their proficiencies?

Quite possibly. Sohei are proficient with light armor, but they still lose many of their abilities while wearing it.