Archetype Stacking Question

[Richard McGuffin]

If you lose a class ability to an archetype can you then gain it back or is it banned from the character forever?

Such that if you play an archetype that looses trapfinding, then take levels in another class that gives you trapfinding. Would your character still loose the benefits of trapfinding?

Would the order the classes are taken matter?

Do you retain the trapfinding abilty from the alternate class becuase you only loose the ability from the class the archetype is in?

Example 1: A level 1 Rogue Poisoner takes 2 levels of Alchemist Trapbreaker.

Example 2: a 2nd level Alchemist TrapBreaker takes one level of Rogue Poisoner.

[Canthin]

Richard McGuffin wrote:

If you lose a class ability to an archetype can you then gain it back or is it banned from the character forever?

Such that if you play an archetype that looses trapfinding, then take levels in another class that gives you trapfinding. Would your character still loose the benefits of trapfinding?

Would the order the classes are taken matter?

Do you retain the trapfinding abilty from the alternate class becuase you only loose the ability from the class the archetype is in?

Example 1: A level 1 Rogue Poisoner takes 2 levels of Alchemist Trapbreaker.

Example 2: a 2nd level Alchemist TrapBreaker takes one level of Rogue Poisoner.

You only lose that classes ability to contribute to the ability. If you are a Rogue that loses Uncanny Dodge, and then take 3 levels in Barbarian, you get Uncanny Dodge from Barbarian but only for your Barbarian levels. Your Rogue levels don't stack for Uncanny Dodge (like they normally would) because you lost Uncanny Dodge from Rogue due to an Archetype.

[Lifat]

And the order wouldn't matter. Even if you had the barbarian levels first and then take a archetype rogue class that looses uncanny dodge, you still keep the uncanny dodge from the barbarian. And Canthin is right. If you "sell" uncanny dodge from the rogue, it no longer stacks with barbarian levels.

[Richard McGuffin]

Thanks guys. I thought so, but someone else thought you had to "pay the price" permanently and could never gain the ability again. I appreciate your clarification. Thank you.

[Cevah]

You don't loose the ability.

You trade what the class gives you.

Therefore there is no effect on another class giving you that ability. However, as others have indicated, you don't get the stacking of class levels for something you traded out.

/cevah