Pummeling Style Prerequisite Question

[EntrerisShadow]

Yeah, there's a ton of these, aren't there? But I couldn't find this one, so here it is - and I suppose this is a more general syntax question in relation to feats, anyway, though I couldn't think of how to word it for a search.

In the Pummeling Bully feat it lists the prerequisites as this:

Improved Reposition, Improved Trip, Improved Unarmed Strike, Pummeling Style; base attack bonus +9, brawler level 5th, or monk level 5th.

So if I'm reading that correctly, for a straight Brawler to take Pummeling Bully after grabbing Pummeling Style, s/he will also need to take Improved Trip and Improved Reposition? Just need to know to see if it would be worth taking the MoMs dip to avoid it.

[Kazumetsa_Raijin]

Pummeling Bully (Combat)
Your punch has the chance to trip or move your target. Prerequisites: Improved RepositionAPG, Improved Trip, Improved Unarmed Strike, Pummeling Style†; base attack bonus +9, brawler† level 5th, or monk level 5th.

You need to have Improved Reposition, Improved Trip, Improved Unarmed Strike, and Pummeling Style + (BAB +9 OR Brawler 5 OR Monk 5).

The first 4 abilities/feats I listed are necessary, combined with 1 of the other 3.

[Seranov]

Yeah, a MoMS dip would let you ignore the prereqs. But I'm pretty sure that if you don't have those prereqs and you try to use Pummeling Bully, you're going to provoke AoOs from everyone threatening you.

[Undone]

Seranov wrote:

Yeah, a MoMS dip would let you ignore the prereqs. But I'm pretty sure that if you don't have those prereqs and you try to use Pummeling Bully, you're going to provoke AoOs from everyone threatening you.

Which made me sad when building my current MoMS/SF. Technically it would be the only free action in the game which can provoke but it would indeed provoke... unless you go first. In which case you can knock em down easily. Alternatively you can purposefully provoke kata monk springs to mind.

[EntrerisShadow]

Seranov wrote:

Yeah, a MoMS dip would let you ignore the prereqs. But I'm pretty sure that if you don't have those prereqs and you try to use Pummeling Bully, you're going to provoke AoOs from everyone threatening you.

That's fine by me. Really, Pummeling Bully is just a stepping stone to get to Pummeling Charge. I thought that's how it read but I wanted to be sure before I dipped MoMS.

Brawler 2/MoMS1/BrawlerX should do, I suppose. Losing 1 BAB isn't too bad to get the feat and I do get to bump my will save.

[Imbicatus]

EntrerisShadow wrote:

Really, Pummeling Bully is just a stepping stone to get to Pummeling Charge.

Pummeling Bully is not a prerequisite for Pummeling Charge. You can skip Bully with no MoMS shenanigans needed, and most builds should.

[Seranov]

...You do know that you don't need Pummeling Bully to get Pummeling Charge, right? Especially with MoMS.

Pummeling Charge's only requirements are IUAS, Pummeling Style and the BAB/class level req that you can ignore as a MoMS.

[EntrerisShadow]

Imbicatus wrote:

EntrerisShadow wrote:

Really, Pummeling Bully is just a stepping stone to get to Pummeling Charge.

Pummeling Bully is not a prerequisite for Pummeling Charge. You can skip Bully with no MoMS shenanigans needed, and most builds should.

No, I didn't realize. Guess I just assumed all Style feats had to take the -BLANK - Style > Second Tier Ability > Third Tier Ability progression. But that is awesome. Guess I won't need a monk dip after all. And I can free up some feats. Huzzah!