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I've been trying to stat up an arcane trickster and would really like it to work with sap master if at all possible. The issue is bludgeoning damage is really hard to search for.
Are there any spells that would qualify for sap master, perhaps after an application of reach/merciful metamagic?
I saw ki arrow, but its strictly worse than just shooting regular arrows (seriously the spell is so useless). Are there any other options?
No spell will work with sap master, as spells are not bludgeoning weapons.
How about Telekinesis? It's high level, but getting your sneak attack damage 30 times over would be pretty sweet.
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Weapon Versatility(Ray).A ray does no weapon damage on it's own, it''s only a delivery system for a spell effect. Therefore, Weapon Versatility (ray) does nothing.
You could say the same with a sling, or bow.
Still, the feat works with both of those.
Also, if a ray deals no damage itself, then all the rules/FAQs about weapon-like spells, about applying things like Weapon Specialization, Sneak Attack, and various other things, don't work.
I've been trying to stat up an arcane trickster and would really like it to work with sap master if at all possible. The issue is bludgeoning damage is really hard to search for.
Are there any spells that would qualify for sap master, perhaps after an application of reach/merciful metamagic?
I saw ki arrow, but its strictly worse than just shooting regular arrows (seriously the spell is so useless). Are there any other options?
A Witch's prehensile hair is arguably bludgeoning. The rules say it count's as "limb", which, without claws or fancy monk bizness, should be bludgeoning, yes?
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Weapon Versatility(Ray).A ray does no weapon damage on it's own, it''s only a delivery system for a spell effect. Therefore, Weapon Versatility (ray) does nothing.You could say the same with a sling, or bow.
Still, the feat works with both of those.
Also, if a ray deals no damage itself, then all the rules/FAQs about weapon-like spells, about applying things like Weapon Specialization, Sneak Attack, and various other things, don't work.
The difference is, sling and bow projectiles are weapons and do weapon damage. Rays do spell damage. While weapon Specialization, Sneak attack and so forth work, the extra damage the apply is considered part of the spell and do the same damage type as the spell.
Weapon versatility changes the damage type of one weapon to another. Other than battle poi, there are no weapons that do energy damage.
Weapon Versatility(Ray).
You can bludgeon fire elementals to death with scorching ray? Now I've seen everything. Though I'm not sure how you "shift your grip" on a ray.
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Weapon Versatility(Ray).A ray does no weapon damage on it's own, it''s only a delivery system for a spell effect. Therefore, Weapon Versatility (ray) does nothing.You could say the same with a sling, or bow.
Still, the feat works with both of those.
Also, if a ray deals no damage itself, then all the rules/FAQs about weapon-like spells, about applying things like Weapon Specialization, Sneak Attack, and various other things, don't work.
The difference is, sling and bow projectiles are weapons and do weapon damage. Rays do spell damage. While weapon Specialization, Sneak attack and so forth work, the extra damage the apply is considered part of the spell and do the same damage type as the spell.
Weapon versatility changes the damage type of one weapon to another. Other than battle poi, there are no weapons that do energy damage.
Oh?
How do you feel about Weapon Versatility(Bomb)?
If Weapon Versatility doesn't apply to Rays, then neither does Weapon Specialization, or Sneak Attack, as they add to Weapon Damage.
This is because, if they don't deal weapon damage, then there is nothing to increase.
So, to help you understand, the damage of a Ray spell, is both spell damage, and weapon damage. This is because the spell determines the damage, that the Ray deals, which, is considered a weapon, and therefore, dealing weapon damage.
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I also think weapon versatility shouldn't apply to bombs. Changing bomb damage types should be done with discoveries, and there is at least one discovery that does piercing damage on bombs.
This doesn't affect focus, specialization, or any other weapon feat that can apply to bombs or rays. I just don't think it's RAI or frankly makes any kind of sence to gange yor grip on a bomb or ray to change fire damage into bludgeoning.
Let's take disrupt undead. If you use weapon versatility to change its damage type from positive energy to slashing, would it now damage non- undead?
How about Telekinesis? It's high level, but getting your sneak attack damage 30 times over would be pretty sweet.Does it actually work that way? Telekinesis would let you throw objects up to your caster level and then you could apply sneak attack on each one? or would it be applied only once for the spell?
Now that you mention it, isn't there an FAQ somewhere on Sneak Attack and Scorching Ray? I tend to think "each attack gets sneak attack damage" because that's how it works for weapon attacks, but they may have clarified that spells work differently.
Only thing I can think of is 10 levels of AT for Surprise Spells, then dropping a Merciful Stone Call.
Well, Scorching Ray also requires multiple attack rolls, so I guess Telekinesis falls under the same "extra damage only added once" category.
I think the difference is that with Scorching Ray and Telekinesis, you cast the spell and then roll all the attacks right then. Whereas with Flame Blade, you roll an attack, do damage, and then decide whether to roll another attack.