Warpriest Fervor vs Improved Spell Sharing -- who wins?

[Dispari Scuro]

Warpriest Fervor (Su):
"As a swift action, a warpriest can expend one use of this ability to cast any one warpriest spell he has prepared. When cast in this way, the spell can target only the warpriest, even if it could normally affect other or multiple targets."

Improved Spell Sharing (Teamwork Feat):
"Prerequisite(s): Ability to acquire an animal companion, eidolon, familiar, or special mount.
Benefit: When you are adjacent to or sharing a square with your companion creature and that companion creature has this feat, you can cast a spell on yourself and divide the duration evenly between yourself and the companion creature. You can use this feat only on spells with a duration of at least 2 rounds. For example, you could cast bull's strength on yourself, and instead of the spell lasting 1 minute per level on yourself, it lasts 5 rounds per level on yourself and 5 rounds per level on your companion."

Let's say I make a Divine Commander, who gets a special mount similar to a cavalier or paladin. I use Fervor to cast Bull's Strength as a swift action. Can I still divide the duration with my companion?

Additionally, the feat doesn't specify what kind of spells you can and can't share. Can you share spells with a target of "you" such as Divine Favor, similar to Share Spells? Can I share spells that normally wouldn't work on an animal?

[wraithstrike]

That line in improved share spells is referring to personal spells and spells that only affect certain creature types. Of course whoever wrote the class may not have thought about ISS so it is worth an FAQ.

[gigyas6]

Specific always trumps general. I believe in this case, Improved Spell Sharing is general (Any spell 2+ duration) and Warpriest Fervor is specific (No spells, even if they can affect other targets).

[MachOneGames]

"you can cast a spell on yourself"

There is no specific vs. general here. You have two feats.

Them seem to combine just fine because the ISS has you cast the spell on yourself... then let ISS divide the duration. You still cast on yourself and meet the requirement from fervor.

You are the target of the spell; it gets shared after it is cast according to the wording.

[gigyas6]

@MachOneGames

One's a class feature, the other's a feat. It pretty clearly states "the spell can target only the warpriest, even if it could normally affect other or multiple targets." It does not state that the spell becomes Range: Personal. It states that the warpriest is the only applicable target.

In addition, the casting spell on self part of Improved Spell Sharing states that you cast a spell on yourself as part of the usage of the feat - not the other way around.

[Diego Rossi]

wraithstrike wrote:

That line in improved share spells is referring to personal spells and spells that only affect certain creature types. Of course whoever wrote the class may not have thought about ISS so it is worth an FAQ.

Re-read the feat. I don't see anything limiting it to personal spells or spells that target only specific kinds of creatures. The spell in the example, bull strength don't fall in either category.

[wraithstrike]

Diego Rossi wrote:

wraithstrike wrote:

That line in improved share spells is referring to personal spells and spells that only affect certain creature types. Of course whoever wrote the class may not have thought about ISS so it is worth an FAQ.

Re-read the feat. I don't see anything limiting it to personal spells or spells that target only specific kinds of creatures. The spell in the example, bull strength don't fall in either category.

I was giving examples of things that it would normally bypass, not a complete list of things ISS would bypass.

edit: since it builds upon the share spells class feature I listed those things.

[Dispari Scuro]

It's a pretty unusual feat though. You don't even need spell sharing to take it. The wording is also ambiguous. While I can see how it could be interpreted to mean, "You can specifically use this feat in order to cast a spell which divides the duration," it could also be read as "As long as you have this feat, you can choose to divide the duration on spells you cast on yourself."

[MachOneGames]

gigyas6 wrote:

@MachOneGames

One's a class feature, the other's a feat. It pretty clearly states "the spell can target only the warpriest, even if it could normally affect other or multiple targets." It does not state that the spell becomes Range: Personal. It states that the warpriest is the only applicable target.

In addition, the casting spell on self part of Improved Spell Sharing states that you cast a spell on yourself as part of the usage of the feat - not the other way around.

Sorry, I don't think I was being clear enough. I believe that they should work together since the ISS feat seems to kick in after you have cast a spell on yourself. The Fervor class feature allows you to cast a spell as a swift action so long as it only targets you.

So, you cast a spell on you (using fervor); then, you have a feat that can adjust that action. ISS alters spells that are cast on you . I wouldn't make it any more complicated than that.

Imagine that you had a ability that could only put gold in blue buckets and an ability that allowed you to instantly move gold from a blue bucket into a yellow one. You wouldn't argue you couldn't use the first ability because the gold isn't going to end up in a blue bucket. You use the first ability, then you use the second.

[Deadkitten]

I dont see anything limiting the combo.
Fervor lets you swift cast if it only targets you, it should interact fine with improved share spells lets you divide the duration without giving aditional targets to the spell.
So I guess its a bit of a loophole.

[Paladin of Baha-who?]

They work together fine. You are the target of the spell; the feat alters the effect of the spell, not who it targets.

[Dispari Scuro]

Deadkitten wrote:

I dont see anything limiting the combo.

Fervor lets you swift cast if it only targets you, it should interact fine with improved share spells lets you divide the duration without giving aditional targets to the spell.
So I guess its a bit of a loophole.

Even if it is a loophole, it can really only be accomplished by one archetype on one class. Seems reasonable to me.