Shadow Dragon Aspect questions.


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I've been wanting to make a build around Shadow Dragon Aspect. While I know that Polymorph effects disable all intrinsic natural attacks of a character, I am not so certain about illusions which "wreath" the caster to grant attacks. I'll list my questions to expedite the process.

1) The attacks are declared primary natural attacks. Does this mean it follows the strength rules of primary natural attacks, in that the caster's strength mod is added to each strike?

2) If a wizard cast this spell while wielding a knife or was carrying a shield, would using the spell's claw attacks disallow them from attacking with the knife or gaining their shield AC for that round?

3) Can attacks the character has available (Tail slap, weapons, etc) be used while Shadow Dragon Aspect is active? If so, can these attacks be used in conjunction with the attacks added by Shadow Dragon Aspect?


1) Correct.

2) If you attacked with the claws, then you wouldn't be able to due to having used those limbs to attack.

3) Yes, unless they use the same limbs.

Scarab Sages

Actually, I don't think that you add your Strength Modifier to the damage roll. I realize that that's more of a RAI than RAW thing, but the spell specifically mentions that you add your Caster Level to the damage rolls, which seems to be in place of the Ability Modifier. That's actually pretty legit, as it means you'd be getting roughly 8-10 damage from caster level alone per hit. I may have to take a look at this spell in the future.


Yes you would get strength bonus, claws and bites gain strength bonus to damage. Just because it has other damage added to it doesn't mean you wouldn't get anything you don't normally gain with claws and bites.


The specifically states what the damage is, so no Strength modifier to damage.


Azten wrote:
The specifically states what the damage is, so no Strength modifier to damage.

So someone using long sword only gets 1d8 damage because it specifically states that is the damage of a long sword.

See also:

Form of the dragon:
Claws(1d6) bite(1d8) and wings(1d4)

so no strength bonus because it specifically lists the damage.

The spell in question specifically states:

Quote:


You gain two claw attacks (1d6 plus caster level slashing damage) and a bite attack (1d8 plus caster level piercing damage).

So the claws have a base damage of 1d6 plus caster level slashing damage and of course anything else claws would get because they are claws. Unless you want to argue that every single time a weapon is listed out it has to have all the rules for that weapon listed or it doesn't get anything not stated.


except a longsword is real, these claws/bite aren't.
You already add your caster level, there's no need to add your str too.


dragonhunterq wrote:

except a longsword is real, these claws/bite aren't.

You already add your caster level, there's no need to add your str too.

Except every other shadow spell that creates phantom weapons gains strength to damage too, and these weapons are real enough to do half damage at minimum. Nothing about this spell in anyway says you do not add strength damage to the natural attacks given by it.

Unless you think Form of the Dragon isn't supposed to add strength bonus to the damage given by the claws, bite and wing attacks given by it.

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