ACG and swift actions?


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Did the writers suddenly decide every single class should have a swift action they use as often (or more so) than their move action?

I don't understand why all of the new classes have multiple swift actions to take. What happened to effects like barbarian where you just ARE raging, or liberation domain now nerfed as a blessing from no action to swift.

Did the writers feel the need to gate new classes super hard because they thought they were too strong?

I don't get it. Does anyone else?

Liberty's Edge

I know what you're talking about, but only actually see it in the cases of the Swashbuckler and Warpriest, which doesn't seem quite enough to label it a general trend. It is highly annoying, though.


This isn't particularly new to ACG.

Paladin has smite and self lay on hands as swift actions, as well as a decent amount of their spells (all the Litany Of ___, for instance).

Arcane Strike has been the bard's default use of their swift actions since the CRB (and later the Magus, of course).

Inquisitors have both Judgement and Bane as swift actions.


Castarr4 wrote:

This isn't particularly new to ACG.

Paladin has smite and self lay on hands as swift actions, as well as a decent amount of their spells (all the Litany Of ___, for instance).

Arcane Strike has been the bard's default use of their swift actions since the CRB (and later the Magus, of course).

Inquisitors have both Judgement and Bane as swift actions.

There are plenty of swift action gates on the arcanist as well if you count quicken spells. The Investigator has a few as well. In the core I believe the only swift actions are the paladin, quicken spells, and arcane strike. Everything else is a move, standard, and free.

In this book most classes seem to have swift actions some to the point of being action gated.


Some people don't use swift actions?

Liberty's Edge

Undone wrote:
There are plenty of swift action gates on the arcanist as well if you count quicken spells. The Investigator has a few as well. In the core I believe the only swift actions are the paladin, quicken spells, and arcane strike. Everything else is a move, standard, and free.

Uh...the Arcanist doesn't have that many, and the Investigator has, I believe, a whole one thing that it can do as a Swift Action. And the core was quite a while ago, Magi and Inquisitors have been using Swift actions for a long time now.

Undone wrote:
In this book most classes seem to have swift actions some to the point of being action gated.

And I'll repeat, that's pretty much exclusively a Warpriest and Swashbuckler issue. It's annoying as hell on those classes, but hardly a general trend.

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