Warpriest Fervor + Silence


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Last week I had warpriest at my table using his fervor ability to cast silence on himself as a swift action during a harpy attack. I allowed it at the time, but I'm really not sure if this would work.

Silence:
SILENCE
School illusion (glamer); Level bard 2, cleric 2
Casting Time 1 round
Components V, S
Range long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
Area 20-ft.-radius emanation centered on a creature, object, or point in space
Duration 1 round/level (D)
Saving Throw: Will negates; see text or none (object); Spell Resistance: yes; see text or no (object)
Upon the casting of this spell, complete silence prevails in the affected area. All sound is stopped: Conversation is impossible, spells with verbal components cannot be cast, and no noise whatsoever issues from, enters, or passes through the area. The spell can be cast on a point in space, but the effect is stationary unless cast on a mobile object. The spell can be centered on a creature, and the effect then radiates from the creature and moves as it moves. An unwilling creature can attempt a Will save to negate the spell and can use spell resistance, if any. Items in a creature's possession or magic items that emit sound receive the benefits of saves and spell resistance, but unattended objects and points in space do not. Creatures in an area of a silence spell are immune to sonic or language-based attacks, spells, and effects.

The relevant part of the Fervor ability reads: As a swift action, a warpriest can expend one use of this ability to cast any one warpriest spell he has prepared. When cast in this way, the spell can target only the warpriest, even if it could normally affect other or multiple targets. Spells cast in this way ignore somatic components and do not provoke attacks of opportunity.

It seems like the warpriest SHOULD be able to use fervor to cast silence as a swift action, targetting himself, but I'm not sure if it would retain a 20' radius effect, or turn it into a 'deafen self' spell.


Just based on the wording there I'd read it that it covers a 20' radius around the warpriest and moves with him.

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20-ft.-radius emanation centered on a creature

Putting that emanation on yourself targets only you, but it's still an emanation. In other words, it works as normal.

Compare to mass cure light wounds, for instance, which targets multiple creatures. If you did that with fervor it would just work like a regular cure light wounds only on yourself.


The silence spell doesn't have a target, it has an area effect. It is not clear if the fervor ability allows casting of such spells. I think it doesn't.


Charlie Bell wrote:

20-ft.-radius emanation centered on a creature

Putting that emanation on yourself targets only you, but it's still an emanation. In other words, it works as normal.

Compare to mass cure light wounds, for instance, which targets multiple creatures. If you did that with fervor it would just work like a regular cure light wounds only on yourself.

So are you saying that people within 20' of you aren't in the area of silence? Not arguing for or against, just not sure what you meant.


Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:
The silence spell doesn't have a target, it has an area effect. It is not clear if the fervor ability allows casting of such spells. I think it doesn't.

It's still centered on a creature, why not yourself? Then having an area effect for 20' around you?


Because targeting is a very specific notion which applies in this case to spells directed at yourself. Not spreads which can emanate from you.


Create Mr. Pitt wrote:
Because targeting is a very specific notion which applies in this case to spells directed at yourself. Not spreads which can emanate from you.

But that isn't a spread. It affects a 20' radius centered on its target, it doesn't spread out from the caster.


daimaru wrote:
Create Mr. Pitt wrote:
Because targeting is a very specific notion which applies in this case to spells directed at yourself. Not spreads which can emanate from you.
But that isn't a spread. It affects a 20' radius centered on its target, it doesn't spread out from the caster.

I hate to say it, but it's a lot like a drop of water on clothing, which spreads out around the spot in which it landed. The same is transferrable here, in that the drop of water (the spell) landing on a specific spot on your clothing (the Warpriest) still ends up having the water molecules spread out while being absorbed into the fabric.

That being said, I'm the with OP and its non-availability: By RAW, the spell being cast would need to have a specific target line for it to work; it adjusts the target line to instead state "X" to be "You". Because it doesn't have that line, it's not exactly an eligible spell to be used with it.

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