
Wiggz |

Am I right in thinking that there are no natural attack options at 1st level, and there will be none at all unless I take Aspect of the Beast (the Claws of the Beast option)?
Assuming that I do those things, do I grow the claws as a free, swift or standard action? Do they have a duration like other similar class features, or are the always 'on'?
Can the Aspect of the Beast feat be taken more than once as a Combat Style bonus feat, selecting a different aspect each time?

Wiggz |

There are Natural Attack options at 1st level, but all of them are race based.
Skinwalker transformations, Tiefling Maw or Claw, Tengu and Catfolk claws/bites, ad so on.
But I'm correct in thinking that the Natural Weapon Combat Style does not, in fact, give you any natural weapons unless you take that particular aspect of that particular feat, correct?
How would a natural attack, say a bite from a Half-Orc or Tiefling, interact with those two claw attacks - they'd all be primary attacks, meaning all using your standard BAB?
Hm. And if I went this route and took an animal companion, I'd kind of be screwed since only one of us could wear an Amulet of Mighty Fists, right - or does it work differently with Animal Companions than it does with Eidolons?

Rynjin |

I appreciate the clarifications.
How do the standard iterative attacks interact with 2-3 natural attacks, assuming no weapon is used? Would I get them at the standard -5, and would Multiattack then come into play? Would I get to choose which one (bite or claw) I was using for the iterative(s)?
Natural Attacks get NO iteratives. You have what you have. On the flipside, if you have 3 NAs, you can use all 3 when full attacking at any level, not just 6th, 11th, etc.

Wiggz |

Wiggz wrote:Natural Attacks get NO iteratives. You have what you have. On the flipside, if you have 3 NAs, you can use all 3 when full attacking at any level, not just 6th, 11th, etc.I appreciate the clarifications.
How do the standard iterative attacks interact with 2-3 natural attacks, assuming no weapon is used? Would I get them at the standard -5, and would Multiattack then come into play? Would I get to choose which one (bite or claw) I was using for the iterative(s)?
So in that scenario, Multiattack wouldn't do me any good - neither, I assume, would TWF?

Umbranus |

With bite, 2 ckaws, TWF and muliattack you could attack with the bite, one claw, a onehanded weapon and armor spikes, for example.
The natural attacks would be secondary and -2 to attack, dealing half strength bonus. The weapon attacks would be at -2, too for TWF.
If you find another weapon that uses no hands, besides the armor spikes, you could use your second claw, too.

Rynjin |

Rynjin wrote:So in that scenario, Multiattack wouldn't do me any good - neither, I assume, would TWF?Wiggz wrote:Natural Attacks get NO iteratives. You have what you have. On the flipside, if you have 3 NAs, you can use all 3 when full attacking at any level, not just 6th, 11th, etc.I appreciate the clarifications.
How do the standard iterative attacks interact with 2-3 natural attacks, assuming no weapon is used? Would I get them at the standard -5, and would Multiattack then come into play? Would I get to choose which one (bite or claw) I was using for the iterative(s)?
Nope.
Though if you picked up some Secondary Natural Attacks (Tentacles, Hooves, etc.) it'd be useful.

Wiggz |

With bite, 2 ckaws, TWF and muliattack you could attack with the bite, one claw, a onehanded weapon and armor spikes, for example.
The natural attacks would be secondary and -2 to attack, dealing half strength bonus. The weapon attacks would be at -2, too for TWF.
If you find another weapon that uses no hands, besides the armor spikes, you could use your second claw, too.
Alright, well I'm not going to get into all that. I think I'm just going to go Shapeshifter Ranger with a strong animal companion and maybe some teamwork feats down the road. I'm thinking maybe Half-Orc or Qlippoth-spawn if I can get it in under the wire, either way with a bite attack.
And since you guys are in such a helpful mood - Tiefling Rangers can improve their effective Druid level via FCB. Can that combine with Boon Companion to raise it higher than character level?

Rynjin |

I'd suggest going Infiltrator instead of Shapeshifter. If you're going to trade out Favored Terrain, may as well get something that lasts longer than a round/level ONCE PER DAY out of it.
Or just standard Ranger, really.
As to your second question, it would, if your GM allowed it. The FCB you're talking about is 3rd party.

Wiggz |

I'd suggest going Infiltrator instead of Shapeshifter. If you're going to trade out Favored Terrain, may as well get something that lasts longer than a round/level ONCE PER DAY out of it.
Or just standard Ranger, really.
As to your second question, it would, if your GM allowed it. The FCB you're talking about is 3rd party.
Well, the concept is for a PFS character, and they tend to have fairly short adventuring days with absolutely no guarantee that I'll even see my favored terrain. The buff (of +4 Strength in this case), lasts level + WIS mod and is more of a sure thing in my opinion - plus I'll get another daily use at 8th-9th level. I have considered the Infiltrator as well, and haven't ruled it out.
The thought was 3 natural attacks by second level, and with a strong animal companion effectively 6 by fifth level. I'm also thinking of going Living Monolith at 6th level as well. Its a cool concept, I'm just trying to put together how viable it is in-game.
I hadn't realized that FCB was 3rd party so that's obviously out.