Quicker than the Eye+Quickdraw=???


Rules Questions

Shadow Lodge

Quicker than the Eye wrote:
At 2nd level, when the Sczarni swindler uses Sleight of Hand, creatures take a penalty on their Perception checks equal to half the swindler’s class level to notice the attempt. The swindler also reduces the normal –20 penalty by an amount equal to her class level when attempting a Sleight of Hand check as a move action instead of as a standard action. Lastly, the swindler can draw hidden weapons or objects from her person as a move action instead of the usual standard action. This ability replaces evasion.
Quickdraw wrote:
You can draw a weapon as a free action instead of as a move action. You can draw a hidden weapon (see the Sleight of Hand skill) as a move action. A character who has selected this feat may throw weapons at his full normal rate of attacks (much like a character with a bow). Alchemical items, potions, scrolls, and wands cannot be drawn quickly using this feat.

Simple question, do these combine to let you draw a hidden weapon as a free action?

Dark Archive

No, why should it?
Nothing in either ability in any way says anything about reducing it further then to a move.

Liberty's Edge

In a homegame, I'd certainly allow it, but as far as RAW is concerned the two abilities are redundant.


In a home game I might be persuaded to reduce it to a swift action rather than a free action, but RAW they overlap they don't stack.

Shadow Lodge

I'd figured it would still be move, but was just checking in case Quicker than the Eye's reducing it to a move would qualify for Quick Draw's Free action instead of Move action. Back to Spring-Loaded Wrist Sheaths I suppose. Thanks for the input all.

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