Arcanists and Pages of Spell Knowledge

[Apocryphile]

Sorry if this seems obvious (it does to me), but several people seem to disagree with me on this one.

Will a Page of Spell Knowledge increase the number of spells prepared for an Arcanist?

The Arcanist Spells ability includes the text:
"Feats and other effects that modify the number of spells known by a spellcaster affect the number of spells the arcanist can prepare."

That wording (to me) suggests that a first level Arcanist could prepare two 1st level and four 0th level spells from their class ability, and an extra spell for using a Page of Spell Knowledge.

Thoughts?

[wraithstrike]

That seems to work by RAW and RAI. It seems the class gets to double dip with spells known and daily preparation slots and some don't like it.

[Apocryphile]

And combine it with Expanded Arcana for even more fun..

[santherus]

Apocryphile wrote:

Sorry if this seems obvious (it does to me), but several people seem to disagree with me on this one.

The Arcanist Spells ability includes the text:
"Feats and other effects that modify the number of spells known by a spellcaster affect the number of spells the arcanist can prepare."

Thoughts?

SRD wrote:

...she may use her spell slots to cast that spell as if it were one of her spells known

It seems from the above that a page of spell knowledge does not affect the number of spells known - it just lets you cast _as if_ it was a known spell. Hence, It doesn't look to me as if the arcanist clause applies here.

If a page of spell knowledge was worded "this page adds the spell to your spells known whilst it is in your possession", then I think you'd be entirely correct, but that (sadly) is not the wording.

[santherus]

There's no question, on the other hand, that expanded arcana is affected by the clause. Good spot.

[DrakeRoberts]

And I've been playing an Arcanist for months now and either missed or forgot this line. Wow. I know what I'm buying before next session...

Quick question on this though: Does that mean that whatever spell was on the page is permanently prepared as one of your prepared spells?

[DrakeRoberts]

santherus wrote:

Apocryphile wrote:

Sorry if this seems obvious (it does to me), but several people seem to disagree with me on this one.

The Arcanist Spells ability includes the text:
"Feats and other effects that modify the number of spells known by a spellcaster affect the number of spells the arcanist can prepare."

Thoughts?

SRD wrote:

...she may use her spell slots to cast that spell as if it were one of her spells known

It seems from the above that a page of spell knowledge does not affect the number of spells known - it just lets you cast _as if_ it was a known spell. Hence, It doesn't look to me as if the arcanist clause applies here.

If a page of spell knowledge was worded "this page adds the spell to your spells known whilst it is in your possession", then I think you'd be entirely correct, but that (sadly) is not the wording.

Hmm perhaps I spoke too quickly.

[DrakeRoberts]

DrakeRoberts wrote:

And I've been playing an Arcanist for months now and either missed or forgot this line. Wow. I know what I'm buying before next session...

Quick question on this though: Does that mean that whatever spell was on the page is permanently prepared as one of your prepared spells?

I guess this question would still apply to Expanded Arcana: Are the chosen spells just permanently prepared, or are you granted more preparation spots (either 1 of your current max level or 2 of a level below)?

Also, do you qualify for Expanded Arcana's special clause: "You can only take this feat if you possess levels in a class whose spellcasting relies on a limited list of spells known, such as the bard, oracle, and sorcerer."?