PFS specific question re: Deific Obedience [Calistria] from ISG

[The Fox]

I have a PFS bard/cleric of Calistria who would love to take the Deific Obedience feat from Inner Sea Gods.

I don't want to quote verbatim from a non-open source, but let me paraphrase the feat:

the feat paraphrased wrote:

Once per day, exchange sex for money, information, etc. Receive a sacred bonus to Charisma-based checks for 24 hours when dealing with creatures who could be attracted to you.

My first question is: can I use this feat to gain a bonus on Day Job checks? Her day job is Perform (dance). She has a dance theater and, given her chosen style of dance, her patrons all "could be ... attracted" to her. The bonus from the feat lasts 24 hours and can be gained every day.

The feat suits the character quite well: she operates an upscale dance theater in Almas (Andoran) which secretly contributes to Calistria's spy network.

My second question is: can I benefit from this feat for the first 24 hours of a PFS scenario and hand-wave the details regarding the requirements. I just want to ensure that no one at the table needs to feel uncomfortable with the adult subject matter. I would prefer just talking to the GM in private before the game: "My character will have performed her obedience to Calistria sometime on the morning that this scenario starts."

Is that reasonable?

[Finlanderboy]

The first question is too grey area for me to give a good answer to.

The second question. If I were a DM I would ask to see the exact wording first. Then depending on where you were. If you were stranded someone without NPCs, I would argue a PC would need to agree. Ofcourse that could be done on a toned down version to avoid making other uncomfortable.

[BigNorseWolf]

I can definitively answer the second question.

From ultimate equipment.

COMPANION PRICE
5 CP–10 GP
Whether a brazen strumpet, gigolo, saucy tart, escort, or
expensive doxy, this person is available for an adventurer who
needs intimacy. An hour’s diversion typically costs a few silver
pieces plus the price of a room.

Mark off a gold piece spent and call it a day.

[Finlanderboy]

BigNorseWolf wrote:

I can definitively answer the second question.

From ultimate equipment.

COMPANION PRICE
5 CP–10 GP
Whether a brazen strumpet, gigolo, saucy tart, escort, or
expensive doxy, this person is available for an adventurer who
needs intimacy. An hour’s diversion typically costs a few silver
pieces plus the price of a room.

Mark off a gold piece spent and call it a day.

That is a great solution as well. Although since info and etc can be used. I would argue the NPC cooking your food and making yoru bedding would count.

[The Fox]

BigNorseWolf wrote:

I can definitively answer the second question.

From ultimate equipment.

COMPANION PRICE
5 CP–10 GP
Whether a brazen strumpet, gigolo, saucy tart, escort, or
expensive doxy, this person is available for an adventurer who
needs intimacy. An hour’s diversion typically costs a few silver
pieces plus the price of a room.

Mark off a gold piece spent and call it a day.

The feat does not specify which direction the money flows. Given the nature of her beliefs, I would imagine the money would be going toward her.

But that is actually irrelevant. The feat actually provides an alternative, nonsexual, method of obedience to Calistria (more on the vengeance side of things). I am mostly just wondering if it can be used to apply to Day Job rolls. It is a 24-hour bonus that is usable an unlimited times every day, and thematically fits with the nature of her profession.

[SCPRedMage]

BigNorseWolf wrote:

I can definitively answer the second question.

From ultimate equipment.

COMPANION PRICE
5 CP–10 GP
Whether a brazen strumpet, gigolo, saucy tart, escort, or
expensive doxy, this person is available for an adventurer who
needs intimacy. An hour’s diversion typically costs a few silver
pieces plus the price of a room.

Mark off a gold piece spent and call it a day.

Actually, this depends on exactly how it is worded (I don't have a copy of ISG, so I can't really say anything definitive).

As paraphrased, it says "exchange sex for money, info, etc", which would indicate that YOU are exchanging the sex, and THEY are exchanging the "etc", not the other way around.

Of course, in that case you could just roll it into your Gather Information check... :P

EDIT: Ninja'd.

[David knott 242]

There is an alternate form of the obedience that can be performed if no suitable partner is available, so you have a fallback that ensures that one way or another you are able to perform your obedience if you have sufficient free time.

[Josh M Foster]

As for your day job question, I'm not sure why it wouldn't. It's basically an "always-on" ability for all intents and purposes. You'd certainly be able to use it at my table. Plus, the bonus isn't all that crazy anyway, hardly a benefit worth shutting down for abuse, considering all the crazy ways certain classes have to get their day jobs into the 40's

[FLite]

So, a strict GM will say no.

By the book, only unconditional bonuses apply. This bonus is conditional (only applies to those attracted to you.) This is the same logic that says that the alchemist class bonus to craft alchemy does not apply, because it only applies to creating items.

By this rational, the day job encompasses all the administrative parts of the job (advertising, book keeping, handling employees, etc.) which would not necessarily benefit.

[The Fox]

Here are links to the feat and the obedience:

Deific Obedience
Calistria (cf. the section marked "Obedience")

[Zrinka Twilight]

FLite wrote:

By this rational, the day job encompasses all the administrative parts of the job (advertising, book keeping, handling employees, etc.) which would not necessarily benefit.

I wanted to go into exotic dancing, but I wasn't good enough at math. ;)

[SCPRedMage]

The Fox wrote:

Here are links to the feat and the obedience:

Deific Obedience
Calistria (cf. the section marked "Obedience")

Based on the wording of the Obedience, I'm inclined to interpret it as I did the paraphrasing; you trade the sex, they trade anything else, so simply paying the listed cost for a "companion" wouldn't do it.

But again, this is the kind of thing that should get hand-waved, potentially as part of a Gather Information check.

As to using it for a Day Job, FLite is correct as to the strict interpretation; since the bonus applies only in a specific circumstance (against creatures that could be sexually attracted to you), the strict reading is that it doesn't apply to day jobs, as it doesn't cover the entire use of the skill (ie, a female having to interact with that gay man who objects to their business, etc).

And I say this as someone who's played an alchemist to level 11, and not once did I ever add the bonus from my Alchemy class feature to my Day Job rolls; keep in mind, though that Craft (alchemy) can be used for more than just crafting alchemical items, but also for identifying items, as well as a Knowledge-like skill for info related to alchemical reagents and plants, both of which would be involved in a Craft (alchemy) Day Job, and neither of which would get the bonus. Since we don't have any way to determine how much of the Day Job would fall under aspects that would get the bonus and how much would not, we simply don't get the bonus.

[FLite]

For the record:

I don't like the rule. I think they should loosen it. Hence why I phrased it the way I did.

But yes, that is the rule.

[BigNorseWolf]

I still don't get why they're so paranoid about the money from dayjobs.

[Finlanderboy]

BigNorseWolf wrote:

I still don't get why they're so paranoid about the money from dayjobs.

because after we earned 4k from our chronicle that extra 50 gold will make or break me!

[pauljathome]

Alorha wrote:

considering all the crazy ways certain classes have to get their day jobs into the 40's

This roused my curiousity :-). I've got one character who will have a day job of around 40 odd at level 8 or so and thought I was doing fairly well :-).

But that build is pretty straight forward. What are the "crazy ways" to get a massive day job roll?

[SCPRedMage]

pauljathome wrote:

I've got one character who will have a day job of around 40 odd at level 8 or so and thought I was doing fairly well :-).

My alchemist had a +30 on his Day Jobs at level seven, at which point I stopped putting ranks into Craft (alchemy)...

[BigNorseWolf]

I think they're still pondering if an alchemist gets that bonus to their dayjob roll or not.

[Tamec]

Just put a point into Profession (Courtesan) and make a roll at the beginning of the adventure. You're fulfilling the obedience with a mechanical roll you cannot fail

[Muser]

I blame Frost. People are still paranoid about breaking WBL and it has nothing do with any kind of game balance and everything to do with the the wholesale ban of Day Job bonuses back in the day.

I mean, adding half your level to Profession or Craft checks in exchange of extra skill points? That's downright criminal, it is!