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Chakrams are listed as a ranged weapon that can be used in melee at -1 to hit. I know light weapons can't be gripped with 2 hands for 1.5 str bonus, and chakrams are only one pound, so I would probably rule that it can't be done. But can it? Is there anything other than inference since it's only 1 lb that says it can't be done?
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the rule is that a one-handed or two-handed weapon can be used with two hands to gain the 1.5 STR bonus. The chakram is not classified as either in the weapon table, so the best you can do one-handed or two-handed is 1.0 STR.
It does make sense that they would be wielded as a light weapon (though the description doesn't state it).
Can someone link me to the relevant info for being unable to get the Strength bonus with light weapons? I'm assuming this would affect Power Attack damage for light weapons wielded in two hands too?
Nicely linked DharTook. And thank you!
Where you say:
Power attack explicitly allows only one-handed weapons to get extra damage if wielded in two hands.
do you mean "only one-handed weapons, NOT light weapons"? Because the first time I read it it seemed like you were saying PA doesn't work with two handed weapons…
[Reads again]
Actually I think your sentence means the one handed weapons only get Power attack extra bonus damage if the one handed weapon is wielded in two hands.
[Consults PRD]
Aha. Here is the feat:
Power Attack: You can choose to take a –1 penalty on all melee attack rolls and combat maneuver checks to gain a +2 bonus on all melee damage rolls. This bonus to damage is increased by half (+50%) if you are making an attack with a two-handed weapon, a one handed weapon using two hands, or a primary natural weapon that adds 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier on damage rolls...
So, to wrap up:
You cannot get the 1.5x Str modifier with a light weapon no matter how many hands you wield it with.
You can PA with a light weapon, but as per the point above, you can't get the extra 1.5x Str Mod. bonus damage.
You can PA with a one handed weapon, but you only get the extra 1.5 x Str mod. bonus damage if you are using the weapon with both hands.
And this folks, is why a little bit of patience is great.
Thanks again DharTook.
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So in summation, while melee wielding a chakram I can not get the 1.5 str bonus ever but can get the 1.5 Power Attack bonus.
I figured that about strength, but I never realized Power Attack was worded differently so that light weapons could get 1.5 power attack bonus.
I think you may have misread? Oceanshieldwolf's longer post was more clear than my explanation, for sure.
But no, you CANNOT deal x1.5 power attack damage by wielding a light weapon in two hands. You might be getting confused by his/her (correct) statement that you CAN power attack with a light weapon. There is just no damage benefit for using two hands.
I think you're misunderstanding what I said. I said that if I Power Attack with a light weapon in 2 hands, I do not get the 1.5 str bonus but I do get the 1.5 Power Attack bonus.
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I think you're misunderstanding what I said. I said that if I Power Attack with a light weapon in 2 hands, I do not get the 1.5 str bonus but I do get the 1.5 Power Attack bonus.
Possibly I am indeed the one misunderstanding, but I don't think so.
You do NOT get a 1.5 Power Attack bonus with a light weapon if you use two hands.
You are correct that you ALSO do NOT get a 1.5 STR bonus for a light weapon in two hands.
Power Attack: You can choose to take a –1 penalty on all melee attack rolls and combat maneuver checks to gain a +2 bonus on all melee damage rolls. This bonus to damage is increased by half (+50%) if you are making an attack with a two-handed weapon, a one handed weapon using two hands, or a primary natural weapon that adds 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier on damage rolls...
The question comes down to, does PA allow you to grip a light weapon with both hands?
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Claudekennilol's final thoughts on the matter are my preferred answer to this question. I would rule a Chakram is neither a light weapon or a one-handed weapon. Therefore it can not be wielded in two hands, as a one-handed weapon can, nor does using it as the off-hand weapon reduce penalties for purposes of TWF.
I would suggest treating it as a light weapon since it is only a 1 pound metal weapon.
Given your ruling, how would you adjudicate a halfling trying to use a medium size chakram?
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IIRC, SKR stated that just because ranged weapons lack the light/one-handed/two-handed distinction isn't a loophole to say that you can wield a Colossal Longbow just fine.Claudekennilol's final thoughts on the matter are my preferred answer to this question. I would rule a Chakram is neither a light weapon or a one-handed weapon. Therefore it can not be wielded in two hands, as a one-handed weapon can, nor does using it as the off-hand weapon reduce penalties for purposes of TWF.I would suggest treating it as a light weapon since it is only a 1 pound metal weapon.
Given your ruling, how would you adjudicate a halfling trying to use a medium size chakram?
...that was the point of my post. If you do not designate a category for a weapon like the chakram, there may be some confusion on what a player can do.
For instance, in my game, I place the chakram in the Light weapon category due to the 'size' and weight of the weapon. I picture the circumference of the blade to be approximately the size of a basketball (~28 inches). This would be the approximate length of a longer short sword. At 1 pound, the weight also fits well into the Light category.
I also do not mind that players will be able to use it as a light weapon. The idea of a dual-wielding chakram warrior is fine with me.