| seebs |
This question is not as stupid as it sounds.
Many things are described as "invisible" separately from the effects of the "invisibility" spell and similar things:
* Scrying sensors
* The portal opened by a mirror of mental prowess
* mage armor
* wall of force and similar effects
What do you see if you look at these when you have see invisibility or true seeing up?
Does the game distinguish between "invisible" and "having no form to observe"? I note that you can percieve scrying sensors (DC 20 + spell level). Which arguably makes the mirror of mental prowess thing redundant, because even when the portal is open it's a scrying sensor, so you could already see it under the same rules, I think.
| voideternal |
I don't know of any 'rule' within the prd that describes what those things look like, so I can only give advice, not rules citations.
It looks like whatever the GM wants it to look like, or whatever the player making the effect wants it to look like, granted the player is allowed narrative power over those aspects.
| seebs |
Well, all the rules say for a scrying sensor is "A creature can notice the sensor by making a Perception check with a DC 20 + the spell level. The sensor can be dispelled as if it were an active spell."
That's it.
Is that DC 20 + spell level if you have see invisible, or does it jump to 40 + spell level if you can't see invisible, or is it just 20 + spell level regardless of whether or not you see invisible?
Is it a large object? A small object? Can it be hidden in some way? For instance, cameras and eyes and similar things can see out through thin black cloth; can you see a scrying sensor behind such cloth?
I think the big thing is, I'm not sure whether they consistently mean "having the invisible condition" when they say something is invisible, or whether it sometimes means "does not actually have a physical appearance at all".