suggestion spell


Rules Questions


Can the suggestion spell be used to have a creature attack, or kill (coup De grace) an ally?


That is in the domain of dominate spells for most GM's. The lines between suggestion, charm, and dominate blur, but for the most part most GM's won't allow you to use suggestion like you would with charm or dominate spells.


So to clarify your reply, Wraithstrike, you are stating that suggestion shouldn't make you Gallagher your helpless ally with an Earth Breaker, right?


Human Fighter wrote:
So to clarify your reply, Wraithstrike, you are stating that suggestion shouldn't make you Gallagher your helpless ally with an Earth Breaker, right?

That is correct.


Attacking an Ally, no, the ally can retaliate thus it could be harmful.
Kill (Coupe De Grace) an ally, no, it would most likely not seem reasonable to kill your downed ally when there are enemies around (even if you hate them). Maybe you could suggest they leave ("to save themselves and stop wasting time protecting a dying ally"). If they were going to kill that ally anyways, then yes, it MIGHT work if there is no one else around them that seems like a threat ("you were going to betray them anyways, might as well do it now").

It is a useful branch of spells, but for lvl 2-3 I would not expect too much power from it.


You want you some Murderous Command. Only level 1, and they'll absolutely kill their ally for you.


Murderous Command was exactly what seemed appropriate, but I can see how someone could interpret the possibility to use suggest in this manner too,

Thanks for your insight.


Cut off his head! If you don't he'll rise as a ghoul and eat you!

Absolutely, if you can make it seem reasonable and not OBVIOUSLY harmful (to the affected creature), then the action is carried out.

Whether you can force a creature to attack an ally is somewhat more debatable. Is it obviously harmful? Well... yes and no. Attacking someone else, to me, is not OBVIOUSLY harmful. You wouldn't necessarily assume the enemy could harm you.
Suggesting that the rogue backstab the fighter might be obviously harmful to the rogue, but suggesting the fighter gag the wizard might not be obviously harmful to the fighter.

Just to further the point, the spell states "Asking the creature to do some obviously harmful act automatically negates the effect of the spell."
Well, asking a creature to kill an ally is not obviously harmful act by itself, though engaging in combat might be.
...He might wait until his ally is sleeping.


I have been told you can make a suggestion of going to sleep, since going to sleep is not harmful, then he will and then you can Coupe De Grace. After combat has started do you find this reasonable?


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Let's say you're awake. Are you able to go asleep at will?

Now, a suggestion of "seems like a good time to take a nap" might result in the victim saying "yes, yes it is" and heading off to bed (or to find a nice comfy chair or couch). But it wouldn't result in immediately inflicting the helpless condition.

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