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Eh, I trust Abrams not at all after the Star Trek fiasco. If Benedict Cumberbatch doesn't end up playing Lando Calrissian and the entire female cast appears in slave outfits with occasional walking in on them changing into other slace outfits, then it'll be a step up.
Still, that alien does look worryingly wasted.
What fiasco was that exactly?
The one with the really, really naff remakes?
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I generally try to reserve the word "fiasco" for something a bit more significant than "Movies I didn't enjoy".
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Not in the slightest.
They're meh at best but it's a bit dramatic to call them utter failures. If NOTHING else they have entertaining action sequences. Quite honestly I've never understood the rabid, mindless hatred for them when taken on their own merits instead of constantly comparing them to the original movies, declaring they come up short, and then conflating that into them being worse than Hitler and the Antichrist combined.
Big Rigs: Over The Road Racing is a fiasco.
The Star Wars prequels are merely mediocre.
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Man, I just don't get all the jump-on-the-bandwagon J.J. Abrahms hate. The guy is a good film maker and a creative director with plenty of successful credits to his name.
There is every reason to believe these new Star Wars movies will be excellent - certainly better than the Prequals.
The new Star Trek movies weren't fiascos by any definition of the word. The were actually highly entertaining and extremely successful - might want to look 'fiasco' up in the dictionary ...
Oh, and yellowdingo ... See that shift key on your keyboard? One uses that in order to capitalize proper names and titles, such as movie titles in a forum post for instance. You're welcome:)
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Man, I just don't get all the jump-on-the-bandwagon J.J. Abrahms hate. The guy is a good film maker and a creative director with plenty of successful credits to his name.
There is every reason to believe these new Star Wars movies will be excellent - certainly better than the Prequals.
The new Star Trek movies weren't fiascos by any definition of the word. The were actually highly entertaining and extremely successful - might want to look 'fiasco' up in the dictionary ...
Oh, and yellowdingo ... See that shift key on your keyboard? One uses that in order to capitalize proper names and titles, such as movie titles in a forum post for instance. You're welcome:)
Capitalization undermines the subtlty of lower key. :\
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The pitch black airlock was quickly illuminated by the red glow of an old lightsabre revealing to Lando calrissian the full extent of his situation. Lando pushed the point of it into the outer hull until it was half the red glowing blade length into the metal, a stream of molten metal elicited with its heat an equal measure of sweat from the man wielding the weapon as though it were a plasma cutter...
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Not in the slightest.
They're meh at best but it's a bit dramatic to call them utter failures. If NOTHING else they have entertaining action sequences. Quite honestly I've never understood the rabid, mindless hatred for them when taken on their own merits instead of constantly comparing them to the original movies, declaring they come up short, and then conflating that into them being worse than Hitler and the Antichrist combined.
Big Rigs: Over The Road Racing is a fiasco.
The Star Wars prequels are merely mediocre.
My opinion on them used to be similar to yours, until I watched these hilarious reviews by Red Letter Media. They are long, and it takes some time to get used to the weird voice of the narrator, but after watching them... yeah, the prequels are not merely bad, they are terrible.
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I generally try to reserve the word "fiasco" for something a bit more significant than "Movies I didn't enjoy".Would you consider the prequel trilogy for Star Wars to be a fiasco?
After raking 3 billion dollars worldwide I would love to have a fiasco like the prequels.
Rabid Fanboy "You make movies we hate!"
George Lucas "What? I can't hear you from the top of this mountain of money you gave me!"
And to think I didn't like the prequels on the basis that they were poorly made movies in their own right completely outside of being attached to a much beloved movie series.
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Even The Phantom Menace, which we can all agree is the worst thing to ever bear the words Star Wars in the title except for the Christmas Special had some of the best individual scenes in any Star Wars film.
It had the Darth Maul/Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan lightsaber fight, the best choreographed lightsaber duel in the entire series.
It had Jedi carving through a blast door with a lightsaber.
It had Otoh Gunga the coolest city ever shown in Star Wars (despite it being filled with Gungans, who are the most annoying species in Star Wars)
It's just the fact that Lucas had too much control over the film, so the terrible things like Jar Jar Binks, Jake Lloyd, Midichlorians, and Lucas' inability to direct actors made the overall film mediocre.
Lucas is barely involved in this, and while I an not pleased by the non-canonization of the EU, I have faith in Aabrams to make an entertaining film. Looking forward to it.
I really, really don't like JJ Abrams, and I admit I'm probably quite biased about it. He is successful, and he's done some cool things, but he has some major flaws that I think are going to make the new Star Wars movies a bit naff.
1) He lies when he can't be creative. See the ending of Lost. A lot of people guessed it about 5 minutes into the pilot, so he quite deliberately said it wasn't the ending. Then it turned out, actually, yeah it is. And of course, Khan.
2) He's good at action. He's less good at everything else. For Star Wars, this might not be too big a deal, but Star Wars doesn't have a history of treating female characters with much respect. So JJ will fit right in there. Remember, the three named female characters in the Trek Reboot all end up in there underwear. 'Cos.
3) He doesn't have a good history with giving much of a crap about the history of these things. By Trek's time travel rules he deleted the first four shows (Enterprise is, depressingly, untouched). He basically hand waved it away, but it's one of the reasons the movies weren't as popular as they could be.
This doesn't bode well for a respectful take of the Star Wars extended universe, which is a pretty fun world full of interesting stories and characters. If JJ knows it exists I suspect he'll ignore it.
4) Lensflare.
Honestly, I wasn't impressed by Lost. It was good for the first season, then stalled out. I've been told by a couple of folks that the best way to watch it is to watch the pilot, watch the ending, and it all works fine.
Fringe was OK, but again I got bored.
And Star Trek...Star Trek really bugs me. It lacks all the flavour of the older Treks. Unless you're a bland faced white guy don't expect more than a few lines of dialogue. The women are treated almost as badly. I honestly can't get over the fact two movie have three named woman characters, and they all end up in there underwear.
And the idea that you have to be a white guy to be a genetically superior super being is kinda annoying. Or a lot annoying.
I'm honestly much more interested in Star Trek Renegades. But if JJ can pull it off, I really hope he does. I just don't think he will.
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Eh? How did the Trek movies "reboots" do ANYTHING to the first four shows? It's an alternate timeline/universe, and near as I can figure the main timeline is completely untouched.
Maybe it violates some rules in the Trek universe somewhere but it wouldn't be the first time canon was bent over a table in Trek for a future episode/movie. Long running franchises like that (and their fans) should be able to roll with it.
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Time travel is to start trek what the force is to star wars.
If you think either of those things are cheesy, then those aren't the series for you.
I don't get the rabid, mindless hatred for the Star Wars prequels either. And I thought that "Attack of the Clones" was WAY better than "mediocre". The chase scene on Corruscant was not only awesome, I think it was indispensable. I mean, we've seen high-speed flying-car chases before, but this time, we see one in a fully urbanized city filled with thousands of other flying cars. I don't know why science fiction movies don't do that sort of thing more often.
The action in the droid factory was cleverly made, too.
And who can forget Yoda flying into action?
It seems we are at odds, JonGarrett...
Please work your magic, Abrams...Let the series live again!!!
I don't get the rabid, mindless hatred for the Star Wars prequels either. And I thought that "Attack of the Clones" was WAY better than "mediocre". The chase scene on Corruscant was not only awesome, I think it was indispensable. I mean, we've seen high-speed flying-car chases before, but this time, we see one in a fully urbanized city filled with thousands of other flying cars. I don't know why science fiction movies don't do that sort of thing more often.
The action in the droid factory was cleverly made, too.
And who can forget Yoda flying into action?
It's amazing how you randomly picked out 3 of the worse, most cring-worthy scenes from AotC. I mean really - Yoda hopping around like a mad frog? The hackneyed cliched tripe in the droid factory? Yeesh!
It's amazing how you randomly picked out 3 of the worse, most cring-worthy scenes from AotC. I mean really - Yoda hopping around like a mad frog? The hackneyed cliched tripe in the droid factory? Yeesh!I don't get the rabid, mindless hatred for the Star Wars prequels either. And I thought that "Attack of the Clones" was WAY better than "mediocre". The chase scene on Corruscant was not only awesome, I think it was indispensable. I mean, we've seen high-speed flying-car chases before, but this time, we see one in a fully urbanized city filled with thousands of other flying cars. I don't know why science fiction movies don't do that sort of thing more often.
The action in the droid factory was cleverly made, too.
And who can forget Yoda flying into action?
Suppose it explains how he doesn't "get" the dislike. (Even though it's really not that hard to understand.)
The new Star Trek movies weren't fiascos by any definition of the word. The were actually highly entertaining and extremely successful - might want to look 'fiasco' up in the dictionary ...
I just did... and got a picture of "ST: Into Darkness". Yeah, I said it.
The only one I liked was attack of the clones. Stuff actually HAPPENED.
It's amazing how you randomly picked out 3 of the worse, most cring-worthy scenes from AotC. I mean really - Yoda hopping around like a mad frog? The hackneyed cliched tripe in the droid factory? Yeesh!I don't get the rabid, mindless hatred for the Star Wars prequels either. And I thought that "Attack of the Clones" was WAY better than "mediocre". The chase scene on Corruscant was not only awesome, I think it was indispensable. I mean, we've seen high-speed flying-car chases before, but this time, we see one in a fully urbanized city filled with thousands of other flying cars. I don't know why science fiction movies don't do that sort of thing more often.
The action in the droid factory was cleverly made, too.
And who can forget Yoda flying into action?
And your gripe with the chase scene in the streets of Corruscant?
(I'm guessing it's the part where Anakin jumps out of the speeder, missing all other speeders in the lanes below, and lands unerringly on Zam Wesell's speeder, but I shouldn't put words into your mouth.)
No, it wasn't random. That was truly my favorite scene.
I'll admit that the factory seemed a little Charlie-Chaplinesque, so I could understand someone else cringing at it.
But surely you can't accuse me of choosing the Yoda scene at random. Whether you love it or hate it, you must admit that it got a lot of hype.
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Apart from the chain Bikini (and the whole slaves outfit of Jabba), what makes you say that? Given, there's not a lot of female characters, but Princess Leia and Mon Mothma are pretty strong feminine figure and they are in charge. There's also a couple of female Jedi that are pretty important to the order and story arc.
Just curious, it never stroke me as such.
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A big part of the problem of the prequel is that they came out after the original series and they get compared. Make an original Sci-Fi series telling the epic story of a crumbling republic undermined by corruption and a civil war where an order of knights try to hold it together and you have a great franchise!
That and the cheesy, badly scripted and acted love affair between Padme and Anakin.
Oh and also the really bad acting by the guy who plays Anakin (I can't even remember his name)
I just hope that Abrahams will correctly direct his actors and the story won't be too cheesy. I'm exited, but I am sucker for anything with the words "Star Wars" on it.
It's more accurate to say that what we used to call the main timeline is completely abandoned, save for when they want to reference it for fan points.
The Abramsverse IS the new 'main timeline".
Which make me wish that someone somewhere will have the courage to finance and new sci-fi series and take the risk to make (good) movies out of it (not just B movies made for straight to DVD).
I say finance because I'm sure that there are tons of scenarios already written but producers don't want to take the risk to film them because, in the end, Sci-Fi series (apart from Star Trek and Star Wars and few other series) are rarelly big sellers.
Eh? How did the Trek movies "reboots" do ANYTHING to the first four shows? It's an alternate timeline/universe, and near as I can figure the main timeline is completely untouched.
Maybe it violates some rules in the Trek universe somewhere but it wouldn't be the first time canon was bent over a table in Trek for a future episode/movie. Long running franchises like that (and their fans) should be able to roll with it.
If you go back and change the past, the future no longer exists and the problem must be corrected before you can return to the future. Yesterday's Enterprise, Future's End and a few others show that on
In Past Tense, the death of a single man (Gabriel Bell) stopped the existence of the entire Federation. In Children of Time the aversion of the Defiant crashing erased 200 years of history and 8000 people from existence.
It's shown each time that a timeline is fixed - altering the timeline does not create a new timeline, it alters the original. Needless to say, the destruction of Vulcan and the virtual extinction of the Vulcan race qualifies as a fairly major alteration to the timeline.
JJ handwaived it away by saying that unlike every other time it's happened across five series of Trek, this time it did create an alternative reality rather than destroying the old one. But there's no reason beyond 'Cos I said it didn't' which is a bit...naff.
But JJ himself said he didn't really know anything about Trek, and wasn't a fan. I, obviously, am. And if something has none of the feeling of the show, none of the spirit of the show and directly contradicts how it all works...added in with the whole, 'we'll try going back to the 70's in terms of woman's rights and having non-white actors in all the wrong ways' and it was very eh. I'm not looking forward to the writer taking it over.
Hell, even a fair few of the Trek Actors have spoken out against it. Levar Burton is especially vocal, but John Cho has made quite a few comments on the movies even though he was in them.
Honestly, unless JJ is a lot more sensitive to the Star Wars universe (Hopefully he's actually a fan of it) I can't imagine it's going to be anything more than light saber duels and lens flare. Although I can't see how he can have less female roles. And I keep expecting him to replace Lando with Cumberbatch
I really, really don't like JJ Abrams, and I admit I'm probably quite biased about it. He is successful, and he's done some cool things, but he has some major flaws that I think are going to make the new Star Wars movies a bit naff.
1) He lies when he can't be creative. See the ending of Lost. A lot of people guessed it about 5 minutes into the pilot, so he quite deliberately said it wasn't the ending. Then it turned out, actually, yeah it is. And of course, Khan.
I may vehemently disagree with you elsewhere, but I agree on lost. No idea what the f#*$ happened there.
2) He's good at action. He's less good at everything else. For Star Wars, this might not be too big a deal, but Star Wars doesn't have a history of treating female characters with much respect. So JJ will fit right in there. Remember, the three named female characters in the Trek Reboot all end up in there underwear. 'Cos.
So evil lesbian kira, everyone-has-sex-with-everyone-else season one ep of tng, body stocking with cleavage troi, everyone's naked in bed with captain picard, 38-of-d, and hyper miniskirts are okay with you. Pot calling kettle metal.
3) He doesn't have a good history with giving much of a crap about the history of these things. By Trek's time travel rules he deleted the first four shows (Enterprise is, depressingly, untouched). He basically hand waved it away, but it's one of the reasons the movies weren't as popular as they could be.
Alternate universe was known well in advance. Deal.
4) Lensflare.
*Sigh*
And the idea that you have to be a white guy to be a genetically superior super being is...
montalbon's been dead for a while man. Let him go.
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So evil lesbian kira, everyone-has-sex-with-everyone-else season one ep of tng, body stocking with cleavage troi, everyone's naked in bed with captain picard, 38-of-d, and hyper miniskirts are okay with you. Pot calling kettle metal.
At least TNG was equal opportunity with the miniskirts.
It's shown each time that a timeline is fixed - altering the timeline does not create a new timeline, it alters the original.
If that was the case then several of my favorite eps would never have happened. Alternate realities are explored sometimes and do go on even if you arent watching them.
Hell, even a fair few of the Trek Actors have spoken out against it. Levar Burton is especially vocal, but John Cho has made quite a few comments on the movies even though hes was in them
Cho is going the right way to shooting his career in the foot. Burtons has changed his song on trek several times, I cant take the primadonna seriously anymore on the subject.
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At least TNG was equal opportunity with the miniskirts.
So evil lesbian kira, everyone-has-sex-with-everyone-else season one ep of tng, body stocking with cleavage troi, everyone's naked in bed with captain picard, 38-of-d, and hyper miniskirts are okay with you. Pot calling kettle metal.
damn. I miss those.
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Does anyone else get a warm fuzzy feeling seeing Freehold DM have Joss Whelon fandom levels of love for JJ Abrams?
You're more alike than you realize. ^.^
And your gripe with the chase scene in the streets of Corruscant?
I wasn't intending to go through them point by point but the fact you want details and reasons (for whatever purpose I have no idea) here;
(I'm guessing it's the part where Anakin jumps out of the speeder, missing all other speeders in the lanes below, and lands unerringly on Zam Wesell's speeder, but I shouldn't put words into your mouth.)
No not that part - although it would have been nice to see Anakin using the Force to direct his freefall a little I can accept superhuman feats of dexterity (and luck) from Jedi
What annoyed me with that one was the fact that they had to fly through the ridiculous 'lightning wall of death that does nothing' simply because they likely felt the scene just didn't have enough s@## in it already. And it really didn't do anything - they didn't crash, blow up or even get their hair mussed up (how does the Force keep a coif in place in an open air vehicle doing 100+kph?). Just random silliness where it wasn't needed.
No, it wasn't random. That was truly my favorite scene.I'll admit that the factory seemed a little Charlie-Chaplinesque, so I could understand someone else cringing at it.
But surely you can't accuse me of choosing the Yoda scene at random. Whether you love it or hate it, you must admit that it got a lot of hype.
No once in any ad I saw was there a clip of Yoda jumping around like an idiot. After the movie came - oh yes there was 'hype' in that it pretty much the stupidest scene from any Star Wars movie to that point (we hadn't yet been given the lovely overacting of Palpatine in Revenge yet)
I only hoped the scenes you chose were random - now I have to live on a planet where someone actually thinks that was 'clever' movie making that other movie makers should emulate. *sigh*
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Yoda fight ftw.
Yoda fight ftw.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore
*enters spaceship and 'blasts' off only to have the ship make weird WWII prop-plane bomber noises*
Okay, I'll admit that Episode II could have left out the "lightning wall of death" as you call it, and the scene would be no worse, and possibly better for the omission.
But I notice you offer no objection to the main idea of the scene. Time and again, people have spoken of future traffic jams... in the sky. Yet in sci-fi, while we sometimes see flying cars in distant frontier-type regions, we seldom see a sky crowded with airspeeders. (Outside of "Deathstalker" by Simon R. Greene, I don't know of any other examples.)
And THAT'S my purpose here. However people might gripe with details of that speeder chase, I have yet to hear anyone claim that the scene should never have been made (except when saying that the entire PREQUEL TRILOGY should never have been made, of course).
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I liked that scene, I'm sorry.
He's supposed to be a badass with the lightsaber, and we got to see it.
I don't think he would have been roaring or whatever while he fought, but, him using his mobility to outweigh any disadvatages in size was cool.
I liked that scene, I'm sorry.
He's supposed to be a badass with the lightsaber, and we got to see it.
I don't think he would have been roaring or whatever while he fought, but, him using his mobility to outweigh any disadvatages in size was cool.
F@*% yeah. Small but fierce.
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Does anyone else get a warm fuzzy feeling seeing Freehold DM have Joss Whelon fandom levels of love for JJ Abrams?
You're more alike than you realize. ^.^
That's not true....That's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
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Search your feelings...you know it to be true.
F+&% yeah. Small but fierce.I liked that scene, I'm sorry.
He's supposed to be a badass with the lightsaber, and we got to see it.
I don't think he would have been roaring or whatever while he fought, but, him using his mobility to outweigh any disadvatages in size was cool.
You can say that again!
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It's amazing how you randomly picked out 3 of the worse, most cring-worthy scenes from AotC. I mean really - Yoda hopping around like a mad frog? The hackneyed cliched tripe in the droid factory? Yeesh!I don't get the rabid, mindless hatred for the Star Wars prequels either. And I thought that "Attack of the Clones" was WAY better than "mediocre". The chase scene on Corruscant was not only awesome, I think it was indispensable. I mean, we've seen high-speed flying-car chases before, but this time, we see one in a fully urbanized city filled with thousands of other flying cars. I don't know why science fiction movies don't do that sort of thing more often.
The action in the droid factory was cleverly made, too.
And who can forget Yoda flying into action?
And your gripe with the chase scene in the streets of Corruscant?
(I'm guessing it's the part where Anakin jumps out of the speeder, missing all other speeders in the lanes below, and lands unerringly on Zam Wesell's speeder, but I shouldn't put words into your mouth.)
No, it wasn't random. That was truly my favorite scene.
I'll admit that the factory seemed a little Charlie-Chaplinesque, so I could understand someone else cringing at it.
But surely you can't accuse me of choosing the Yoda scene at random. Whether you love it or hate it, you must admit that it got a lot of hype.
The only thing I truly cringed at were C-3P0's horrible puns throughout the movie.
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I *liked* the Star Trek reboot.
I understand how movies taken too far away from their source material can be a let down (gods know how I dislike P.J. Lord of the Rings trilogy), but J.J. Abraham's are good movies in their own right.
Star Wars episode I-III are bad all around, even for (the rare) people who are not familiar with the source material. So much ruined potential; it makes me weeps.
This featurette showed us a Star Wars alien who looks like he coming right out of Jim Benson's studio, as opposed to a CGIed clown. For me this is a win.
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He's (yoda) supposed to be a badass with the lightsaber...
Said who? All we knew about him was of a wheezed old master using a cane to walk.
I know it's all about the old kung-fu sensei showing he's still capable of punching you silly, but it was taken way to far for my suspension of disbelief (which is quite big when it comes to star wars). I wish I had seen advanced techniques of economy of movement, precision striking, absolute calm and control in the most stressful situation, force mastery... You know, old master stuff.
Instead he was all over the place like a bouncing ball; showy youngster stuff.
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When originally conceived, according to the tapes of the writing conferences between Lucas, Kasdan, and other producers in the early 80s (see the making of Empire and Jedi books that are fantastic), advanced force users like Yoda and the Emperor didn't use lightsabers. Notice that Yoda didn't have a lightsaber sitting around in his hut on Dagobah and the Emperor laying the smack down on Luke with his force lightning. Not to mention Yoda doesn't do any lightsaber training on Dagobah, implying that Yoda didn't really see it as an important part of his Luke's training. In fact, he even tells Luke not to bring his weapons under the evil tree because he "will not need them."
He was never "supposed to be a badass with a lightsaber," that was only said in Episode 2 to set up the frog fight. He shouldn't have needed a lightsaber.
When he drew that thing out, it immediately diminished the character. And in Ep. 3 when the Emperor pulled his lightsaber out, same thing.
It made them the same as the other Jedi, when they should have been head and shoulders above.
And my 2 cents, Ep 2 is the worst of the series, based on story, writing, and dialogue alone.
"I killed innocent women and children."
"To be angry is to be human. Let's get married."