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I've never understood the hate for the SW prequels. I really enjoyed them the first time I saw them and each successive time. It seemed to me that when they first came out, it became the "in" thing to not like them, and suddenly everyone jumped on the band wagon.

The way I would rate my favorite of the series in order would be 2, 3, 6, 4, 5, 1. And yes, I saw the originals first and found them to be really good movies, just generally liked the newer ones better. Probably because I'm a big fan of Jedis and we got to see them more in the prequels.

Phantom Menace was still a good movie even though it was my least favorite of the six. The kid that played Anakin was a bit whiny for my tastes, but Ewen McGregor and Liam Neeson really carried the movie.

Attack of the Clones was my favorite, and Hayden Christansen(sp?) did a good job of bringing Anakin Skywalker to life IMO. I watched the scene where his mom dies and he goes all crazy on the sand people a hundred times. The music that matches his emotions is perfect.

Anyway, I have high hopes for SW VII. Hopefully it will do well.


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Tormsskull wrote:
Anyway, I have high hopes for SW VII. Hopefully it will do well.

No offence, but I kinda hope you'll hate it. ;)


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Tormsskull wrote:
I've never understood the hate for the SW prequels.

Hey - it's great that you liked the prequels. I'm sure lots of people do.

But... are you really sure you don't 'understand' the hate/dislike of the prequels? Really? I find that somewhat hard to believe.

Because I'll be honest here - it's really not that hard to at least understand the dislike for the prequels, even if you don't share it.


I can remember when Austin Powers was getting better reviews and before i saw both i couldnt understand the Phantom Menance Criticism.

I expected the prequels to be similiar to how i view the LOTR movies.
EPIC!
I wanted the same desire for Extended editions.
I wanted to while channel surfing stopping on TNT or wherever to watch a few minutes.
I wanted my kids to embrace the prequels like i did the classics.

Cant speak for others but i waited a long time for those prequels and based my hopes that with new technology Lucas was ready. If Abrahms somehow delivers maybe some of the prequels faults will be forgiven.


So, Boba Fett and Red 5 confirmed spin-offs now?

[edit] oooh, and a solo Solo movie too?

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The Millennium Falcon, X-Wings, and Pig Monsters, oh my!

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Shia laboof for solo origins?


Nah, he's out in a jungle somewhere, swinging from vines.


Episode I is the only one that I hate. Any part of the movie that doesn't feature Lightsabers ignited is just mind numbing-ly boring to me.

Also, I hate that the otherwise excellent Jedi Vs Maul duel ends with Darth Maul standing over Obi Wan who is hanging off the side of a pit; then Obi Wan manages to fly up out of the pit, flip over Maul, grab a lightsaber, and cut the guy in half while Maul just stands there looking dumb and makes no move to attack or defend himself.

Made even worse in Episode III when Obi Wan yelling at Anakin about how having the higher ground is an insurmountable advantage.

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Made even worse in Episode III when Obi Wan yelling at Anakin about how having the higher ground is an insurmountable advantage.

After them fighting while climbing a tower that slowly melts into lava, slinging from some cables or whatever. Much higher grounds were obtained by both sides during that fight...

However, the Obi Wan-Anakin face off is the best scene in all the prequels, I think. Despite the somewhat mind numbing visuals and the fact that it might have gone on for a bit too long, I still think this is a great fight with a huge emotional weight.

It is, though, preceeded by the most stupid sentence in the Star War movie, when Obi Wan declares "Only Siths think in absolutes".


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As a brief derail this reminds me of one of the best SciFi games I ever played in. ...*Jumble of Awesome*...

I am terribly, terribly jealous right now, Aranna. And it makes me smile a bit. Thank you.

Freehold DM wrote:
Aranna wrote:

I love Star Trek and Star Wars... why do people pick a side? Have both it's better. :)

I also like BOTH Whedon AND Abrams. I did feel Abrams was all wrong for the Star Trek franchise... Whedon would have done a much better job with this type of setting. That being said, I think Abrams will be ideal for the new Star Wars movie. His style of over the top action IS Star Wars. So unless he tramples all over existing SW canon like he did in ST his SW films should be awesome.

PS: I also love peanut butter with my chocolate! :p

this post makes me cry on the inside.

It's ok. We know, Freehold DM. Cry on the outside. In private. It helps. And allows for plausible deniablity.

Tormsskull wrote:

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Phantom Menace was still a good movie even though it was my least favorite of the six. The kid that played Anakin was a bit whiny for my tastes, but Ewen McGregor and Liam Neeson really carried the movie.

Attack of the Clones was my favorite, and Hayden Christansen(sp?) did a good job of bringing Anakin Skywalker to life IMO. I watched the scene where his mom dies and he goes all crazy on the sand people a hundred times. The music that matches his emotions is perfect.

Anyway, I have high hopes for SW VII. Hopefully it will do well.

Hmm. Allow me to spill some haterade. For me, I, II, and III have fun parts, but are at best mediocre films. Hayden Christensen did a horrible job. He comes across as a stalker, and his portrayal of a person in love was just plain creepy. More than anything, the 'romance' ruined it for me. I just couldn't believe either actors' performance. The fact you felt his murder scenes compelling only reinforces this for me.

And of course the music was great. It's composed by professionals who get to work on it after Lucas has left the room. ;)

I really hope VII turns out well, though. I want it to work.


Anakin before Vader really doesn't have any luck in actors. Then again, neither the black plastic man or the scarred roundface had simple relations to actoring, did they?

Honestly, though, compared to the sheer, stomach-turning stalker-symphony that is Edward Cullen the Sparkly Vampire, Anakin is a giant of acting.

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Honestly, though, compared to the sheer, stomach-turning stalker-symphony that is Edward Cullen the Sparkly Vampire, Anakin is a giant of acting.

And he could be the new Indiana Jones Gives you faith in humanity, does'nt it.

Sorry for hijack.


CapeCodRPGer wrote:
Sissyl wrote:


Honestly, though, compared to the sheer, stomach-turning stalker-symphony that is Edward Cullen the Sparkly Vampire, Anakin is a giant of acting.

And he could be the new Indiana Jones Gives you faith in humanity, does'nt it.

Sorry for hijack.

Robert Pattinson isn't a bad actor though. He just got a s&!*ty role that any one of us would have snatched up in a heartbeat given the opportunity because he got so much money from it he could wipe his ass with hundred dollar bills.


I... fail to see in what way a sparkly vampire could actually make for a WORSE movie than Crystal Skull...

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Crystal Skull wasn't terrible, and was actually better in a lot of ways than Temple of Doom. The vine swinging with the monkeys and the nuke in a fridge were dumb, but at least it didn't have the shrieking blonde.


Te'Shen wrote:
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Thank you, it was truly a blast to play in.

And I agree about the romance being abysmally horrible. You think with the budget Lucas had he could have hired any number of good romance writers to make that love story epic... but NO he tries to write it himself with all the sensitivity of a nerd who has never loved before.


But the absolute worst Star Wars movie of all time has to be #3... lets just take Anakin and forget EVERYTHING he is good and bad and make him into a pile of random pointless murder. I think it is the only SW movie I will never watch a second time.


Heh. Sean Patrick Flanery is 49 now. Should be a good age to reprise Indy, no?


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Sissyl wrote:
I... fail to see in what way a sparkly vampire could actually make for a WORSE movie than Crystal Skull...

I want to find something wrong with this statement, but in my heart of hearts I know I can't. Good job, Sissyl.

Imbicatus wrote:
Crystal Skull wasn't terrible, and was actually better in a lot of ways than Temple of Doom. The vine swinging with the monkeys and the nuke in a fridge were dumb, but at least it didn't have the shrieking blonde.

This is probably a dumb thing to fixate on, but it just felt like too much of a change of tone for me.

Raiders of the Lost Arc? Religious/Supernatural elements.
Temple of Doom? Religious/Supernatural elements.
Last Crusade? Religious/Supernatural elements.
Crystal Skull? F*@#ing Aliens?

And the attempt to bring it full circle was just... unnecessary for me. Indiana Jones is not only a famous researcher, he's got tenure. That guy is going to be getting sexual graft, supposedly for grades, until the day they put him in the ground. He's a goofy James Bond. The wedding to an old love that he doesn't seem to have any real connection with made me a little 'Wha?'... unless Lucas is saying that everyone settles/sells out eventually.

But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.


Ninja in the Rye wrote:

Episode I is the only one that I hate. Any part of the movie that doesn't feature Lightsabers ignited is just mind numbing-ly boring to me.

Also, I hate that the otherwise excellent Jedi Vs Maul duel ends with Darth Maul standing over Obi Wan who is hanging off the side of a pit; then Obi Wan manages to fly up out of the pit, flip over Maul, grab a lightsaber, and cut the guy in half while Maul just stands there looking dumb and makes no move to attack or defend himself.

Made even worse in Episode III when Obi Wan yelling at Anakin about how having the higher ground is an insurmountable advantage.

I got the feeling it was meant as symbolism, but Obi Wan's line was too nuanced and esoteric for me to understand the subtext. :P

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Te'Shen wrote:

This is probably a dumb thing to fixate on, but it just felt like too much of a change of tone for me.

Raiders of the Lost Arc? Religious/Supernatural elements.
Temple of Doom? Religious/Supernatural elements.
Last Crusade? Religious/Supernatural elements.
Crystal Skull? F*@#ing Aliens?

This is a difference in the time period. Raiders, Temple of Doom, and Last Crusade were set in the 30s and was defined by the Pulp era. The focus was Nazis, mysticism, and secret magic powers.

Crystal Skull was set in the 50s and defined by the Sci-Fi of the era. The focus changes to the Red Scare, roswell, and secret telepathic powers.

I agree that it is a big change, but the world went through a huge change from the early 30s to the mid 50s. It would be strange if the tone didn't change.


Imbicatus wrote:

This is a difference in the time period. Raiders, Temple of Doom, and Last Crusade were set in the 30s and was defined by the Pulp era. The focus was Nazis, mysticism, and secret magic powers.

Crystal Skull was set in the 50s and defined by the Sci-Fi of the era. The focus changes to the Red Scare, roswell, and secret telepathic powers.

I agree that it is a big change, but the world went through a huge change from the early 30s to the mid 50s. It would be strange if the tone didn't change.

Hm. I hadn't thought of it in those terms. Good point.

I guess I will have to default to just not liking it as much as the other three. :)


Imbicatus wrote:
Crystal Skull wasn't terrible, and was actually better in a lot of ways than Temple of Doom. The vine swinging with the monkeys and the nuke in a fridge were dumb, but at least it didn't have the shrieking blonde <DIRECTOR'S WIFE>.

(fixed that for ya)

At least we know how she got that role...


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Cimbria Arctus wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
Crystal Skull wasn't terrible, and was actually better in a lot of ways than Temple of Doom. The vine swinging with the monkeys and the nuke in a fridge were dumb, but at least it didn't have the shrieking blonde <DIRECTOR'S WIFE>.

(fixed that for ya)

At least we know how she got that role...

if I recall correctly they met during the filming of Temple of Doom and got married AFTERWARDS.

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Sissyl wrote:
I... fail to see in what way a sparkly vampire could actually make for a WORSE movie than Crystal Skull...

Easy. Take Crystal Skull, and add a sparkly vampire.

Seriously, though, Crystal Skull was not good but it was also not terrible. It still made me not want to see any Indiana Jones movie again. Just leave that precious trilogy alone.


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There were parts of The Crystal Skull that felt like an Indiana Jones movie. The opening chase through the warehouse and everything right until the end of the Rocket Sled.

Then the Jungle chase was good right until the thing with the monkeys. Then the fight on and around the fire ant nest was good.

I while I didn't care for the conceit of the sci-fi element, when I did see this in the theater I saw it on the screen at the ZIgfeld Theater which, aside from the true IMAX screen at Lincoln Center, is probably the biggest and best screen in NYC. The final visual with Indy in the foreground looking at this massive flying saucer/interdimensional craft gearing/spinning up for departure was actually really, REALLY great.

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Remember when this thread was about the new Star Wars movie?

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Hey, they are both Lucasfilm starring Harrison Ford. There is bound to be some crossover. ;)

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OK then ... Hey, how great was American Graffiti, huh?

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Marc Radle wrote:
OK then ... Hey, how great was American Graffiti, huh?

Yeah... I hear that there is going to be a special edition where they replace Milner's coupe with a pod racer.

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Cimbria Arctus wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
Crystal Skull wasn't terrible, and was actually better in a lot of ways than Temple of Doom. The vine swinging with the monkeys and the nuke in a fridge were dumb, but at least it didn't have the shrieking blonde <DIRECTOR'S WIFE>.

(fixed that for ya)

At least we know how she got that role...

Actually, they met for the first time during auditions for the role of Willie Scott. They started dating after the movie had wrapped.

Spielberg chose her for the roll becuase of her acting skills, not becuase he saw her as a future love interest.


Imbicatus wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
OK then ... Hey, how great was American Graffiti, huh?
Yeah... I hear that there is going to be a special edition where they replace Milner's coupe with a pod racer.

Oh oh... and add unnecessary CG background shots in between scenes... and computer in Samuel L. Jackson over a few actors who never did any other on screen work...


Don't forget, they need to put ring-shaped explosions whenever a planet or other moon-sized object gets blown up.

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Harrison Ford crushed by closing hatch of millennium falcon


Sissyl wrote:
Don't forget, they need to put ring-shaped explosions whenever a planet or other moon-sized object gets blown up.

And lens flare.

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yellowdingo wrote:
Harrison Ford crushed by closing hatch of millennium falcon

But did the Falcon shoot first?


When seeing that link, I thought Harrison was tiny gobbets of flesh...

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Marc Radle wrote:
Remember when this thread was about the new Star Wars movie?

pepperidge farm remembers

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Sissyl wrote:
When seeing that link, I thought Harrison was tiny gobbets of flesh...

If he dies in hospital due to complications thats it for starwars. Han solo killed by own spacecraft...later on imperial comnet princess leia goes over to dark side. Vows to kill a wookie for lazy ship maintenance.


Ummm... no. One of the biggest brands in the world is not going down the drain just because someone died. It will likely merely add to the mythology of the thing. Sort of like The Crow and Brandon Lee. Not to mention the fact that if he does get, say, a difficult infection and eventually dies, he is probably going to say something like "Don't blame the movie for me dying." before it happens.

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Heard on the radio that his ankle was definately broken.


minimal impact on movie


They can just put a cast on it and cover it up with cgi and lens flare.

That's assuming he doesn't die from a broken ankle or a nosocomial infection.


Or a hangnail. Or sunburn.


Sissyl wrote:
Or a hangnail. Or sunburn.

OSTEOMYELITIS!!! MELANOMA!!!

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Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Or a hangnail. Or sunburn.
OSTEOMYELITIS!!! MELANOMA!!!

ROCKS FALL!!! BLUE BOLTS FROM HEAVEN!!!!!


Dammit. And I liked Harrison Ford. Sad that a broken ankle will kill him. But I understand what you're saying. With all the osteomyelitis and rocks falling, the poor guy is doomed. =(

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It's gonna be great people. Trust in the Force of JJ

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Sissyl wrote:
Dammit. And I liked Harrison Ford. Sad that a broken ankle will kill him. But I understand what you're saying. With all the osteomyelitis and rocks falling, the poor guy is doomed. =(

Seriously, I think he will be fine. A broken bone is bad at his age, but an ankle is infinitely better than a hip.

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