I was thinking of granting one of my Player's Character an imp as a cohort. It will most likely advance as a rogue.
I am concerned and hesitant about bringing a Sneak Attacking Rogue with the ability to use invisibility at-will into the game, but I am known to be conservative about such things and I may be concerned for nothing.
Do you think a rogue that can use invisibility at-will and thus always get a Sneak Attack when it attacks is something to be concerned about?
My second question is what level of cohort should an imp equate to?
I think it should be equivalent to a 6th level cohort and thus should not be available till at least 8th level for a Player Character. In this case the imp would not gain a rogue level till the Player Character is 9th level, so it would always be 8 levels behind the Leader. Is that enough to keep it from being overpowered? I tend to think so, but is it too much?
The imp would only be able to Sneak Attack invisibly once every other round so that makes me feel less concerned as well.
Invisibility at will is something you get from a 20,000 gp ring of invisibility.
Given the amount of damage an imp isn't going to be doing (+1d6 sneak attack damage at 9th level, srsly?), I don't see this as an issue.
an imp is CR2 and thus counts as a 2nd level character
even as a 4th level rogue for an 8th level, 2d6 isn't a lot, nor is 3d6 with a 9th level master
you needn't really fear a pixie rogue either
if the imp or pixie, were say, a sorcerer, a caster oracle, or a caster bard. i would be more afraid of it
an imp is CR2 and thus counts as a 2nd level character
A monster's Challenge Rating does not equate to cohort level. For instance a worg has a Challenge Rating of 2 yet its cohort level is 5th.
What if I threw caution to the wind and allowed my Player's Character to have a 1st level rogue imp at 7th level. Do you think that would be fine?
I have a character that gets sneak attack once per round on a standard action attack.
The balancing factor is that he has to hit to get that damage.
What ability is that?
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Tripod Machine's Scout class. Targeted Strike is like Vital Strike, but adds 1d6 every odd level to his standard attack.
I have gone entire sessions without hitting it even once. Currently 4th level.
Since See Invisibility is more or less arcane 2 (3rd and 4th level) and Invisibility Purge is divine 3 (5th and 6th level), an invisible rogue isn't necessarily going to be able to depend on invisibility at that level.
1d6 sneak attack is an average of 3.5 extra damage. 2d6 is an average of 7 extra damage. On an imp, even hasted, that's not going to be a lot against an enemy at that level. I'm with Moonwhisper. It'd be scarier if it was a caster class. It could buff party members or use some sort of environmental debuff and use wands as backup.
Okay, it sounds like it shouldn't be a problem.
I'll probably let them take an imp cohort at 7th level, maybe even one with one level of rogue.
Okay, it sounds like it shouldn't be a problem.
I'll probably let them take an imp cohort at 7th level, maybe even one with one level of rogue.
even with 3 levels of rogue at 7th level, it isn't that bad, hell, 2d6 is only an average of 7 damage on a tiny creature that will likely never really land a decent hit on anything. a proper 5th level cohort does like twice that amount on one swing, with better accuracy.
plus, past 6th level and after, lots of foes have means to autodetect an invisible attacker, immunity to a common way to gain sneak attacks, or hell, an attack of opportunity that would badly hurt the poor imp, even with his damage reduction and fast healing.
i'd be more wary if the imp was a spellcaster whom could use buffs and battlefield control to assist the party and interrupt casters with wands.
i'd be more wary if the imp was a spellcaster whom could use buffs and battlefield control to assist the party and interrupt casters with wands.
Oh, I see. Well, given that possibility, what equivalent cohort level should an imp equate to?
Is it a bad idea to grant a monster cohort with at-will invisibility at 7th level?
i'd be more wary if the imp was a spellcaster whom could use buffs and battlefield control to assist the party and interrupt casters with wands.Oh, I see. Well, given that possibility, what equivalent cohort level should an imp equate to?
Is it a bad idea to grant a monster cohort with at-will invisibility at 7th level?
the imp is a 2nd level cohort before class levels. so for a 5th level cohort to a 7th level character, i'd be fine with it being a an imp with 3 levels of rogue.
if it were a spellcaster, having it have 3 levels of sorcerer is fine, as long as the player keeps watch of the sorcerer's resources
a cohort with at will invisibility isn't a bad thing at 7th level, there are many counters to it at that level you could use.
the imp is a 2nd level cohort before class levels. so for a 5th level cohort to a 7th level character, i'd be fine with it being a an imp with 3 levels of rogue.
It seems odd to me that an imp with 3 Player Character class levels is equivalent to a worg with none. If given the choice, I think I would much rather have the former than the latter.
I don't know why monster cohorts are considered to be effectively equivalent to a normal cohort of much higher level than their Challenge Rating, but I don't feel comfortable straying from the guidelines presented in the Bestiary. Given that, I think an imp should have an equivalent cohort level of 4th at the very least.
the imp is a 2nd level cohort before class levels. so for a 5th level cohort to a 7th level character, i'd be fine with it being a an imp with 3 levels of rogue.It seems odd to me that an imp with 3 Player Character class levels is equivalent to a worg with none. If given the choice, I think I would much rather have the former than the latter.
I don't know why monster cohorts are considered to be effectively equivalent to a normal cohort of much higher level than their Challenge Rating, but I don't feel comfortable straying from the guidelines presented in the Bestiary. Given that, I think an imp should have an equivalent cohort level of 4th at the very least.
i don't use the monsters as cohort rules
i use monster cohort level = CR as detailed in monsters as PCs. where a worg would count as 2nd level
but an imp is fairly weak, all they really have is at will invisibility and flight, which at best, makes them more of a scout.