additionally, the whole "right-wing extremist" thing is just... silly.
You are terribly misinformed,but that's your problem,not mine.
So,after twenty pages in this topic i come to the horrible conclusion.
People in this day,age,and this forum(and this(!)is a horrible thing)don't understand very simple concept.
Lesser.Evil.
So,forced collectivization was bad.Who knew?
Without it we all would be speaking german and/or japanese.
So,deportation of the tatar was bad.Duh.But it's either that or no more tatars.And without genocide as is.
All this Ukrainian show happened because lesser evil(supression and dispersion of the riots)was not chosen.
If you do not choose lesser evil,you choose greater.
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wha?
the lesser evil was NOT to massacre the protesters in Kiev. That's just evil period.
Yanukovich, larcenous coward that he is, did the right thing and ran away when his situation was no longer tenable.
He is a thief, not a mass murderer, and if he had ordered his security forces to murder those people, then he would have been overthrown even earlier, and probably not have had a chance to escape to Russia and enjoy his stolen fortunes stashed in secret bank accounts.
the lesser evil was NOT to massacre the protesters in Kiev. That's just evil period.
Of course.Lesser evil was to supress and disperse the crowd.Government ATM had the means,but not the will.
It was not chosen,so instead more...evil people,for lack of the better term made a choice.I must add again,that Yanukovich may be corrupt(or not,i don't care),but he was,literally,Ukraine's last hope.He was the lesser evil.
How is "the lesser evil" having thugs murder civilian protesters?
Please.
What thugs?What civilian protesters?
You use the POLICE.To supress ARMED REBELLION.(thousand wounded policemen,two hundreds with gunshot wounds)
In the capitol city,no less.
Order them to use gas and clubs.PROBLEM SOLVED.
There would be deaths.Maybe.Or not.
But no coup,no default,no IMF loans under draconic conditions,and no loss of Crimea.
Just think about that. Legitimate governments don't have to issue orders for this violence against their own people.
WAT?Errr....man...are you high?
Or from other planet?Or born in the 21st century and don't remember,for example,this little event in which US gov used army against their own people?Also,those clowns who took part in the rebellion...those are not the people.They are vocal minority at best.
People?
People elected Yanukovich.
Ever heard of democracy?
Vlad killing people isn't a good act or a "lesser evil", its just evil, regardless of who is "right"
People in this day,age,and this forum(and this(!)is a horrible thing)don't understand very simple concept.
Lesser.Evil.
I try to explain again.In simplest terms i am able.
If you kill a few to save many-that's lesser evil.But Ukrainian government didn't even need to kill anyone.Use non-lethal means to supress the revolts,and,if majority didn't like it,be voted out.
2014 is election year,you know.
Also a vocal minority has the right to exist
It has no right to topple the government and,for all intents and purposes,destroy the country.
Well if it has the power to topple the government it isn't a minority
This is probably most....differently logical thing i read in 22 pages.
Of course they are the minority.But they were in the right place,in the right time,with the right weapons,and were fighting against government that are not willing to kill(imprison,maim,even beat!) them all.
GL trying that in Belarus or Russia.
Or US for that matter.
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Terror in Ukraine forces left wing organisation Borotba underground – interview with Sergei KirichukSee,fascism ALWAYS targets commies first.Even "commies"will do.Hell,even monuments will do!
It was kinda what was it created for.
Interesting interview.
Sadly, I've seen a number of people on the Internet who claim that fascism is just as lefty as communism and that the feud between them is just a struggle to control poor people and oppress the rich.
I'm afraid to ask our neighborhood goblin what he thinks of that idea.
I'm afraid to ask our neighborhood goblin what he thinks of that idea.
Define communism and fascism.(important thing here is that communism is utopia,while fascism is real)
Because,you see,even goblin and me can't agree on a lots of things,becausesocialist movement are split pretty bad.
Which is exactly how the ruling class wants it to be.
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I'm afraid to ask our neighborhood goblin what he thinks of that idea.Define communism and fascism.(important thing here is that communism is utopia,while fascism is real)
Because,you see,even goblin and me can't agree on a lots of things,because
socialist movement are split pretty bad.
Which is exactly how the ruling class wants it to be.
I can't give you the explanation or definition that those people would agree with, because it makes me start waving my hands and yelling about how the entire history of the world can't be usefully explained solely in terms of 2010+ American Demopublican politics.
If you think socialists are split, go try reading some libertarian forums. As non-libertarians, it's probably more amusing for us than it is for them. Capital L libertarians, small l libertarians, anarcho-capitalists, not to mention the Objectivists!
If you think socialists are split, go try reading some libertarian forums. As non-libertarians, it's probably more amusing for us than it is for them. Capital L libertarians, small l libertarians, anarcho-capitalists, not to mention the Objectivists!
I'm deeply ashamed,but i don't even know what these words mean!
As of your question,you can answer it yourself.Do a little history research and see who benefited from socialism and fascism.And it's different classes.
The people manning the barricades were THE GOOD GUYS. The people who've taken over are corrupt, yeah, but they aren't nazis. That's a ridiculous assertion.
Nope, no Nazis in new Ukrainian government.
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So,after twenty pages in this topic i come to the horrible conclusion.
People in this day,age,and this forum(and this(!)is a horrible thing)don't understand very simple concept.
Lesser.Evil.
Interestingly, this is what Democrats tell me when I refuse to vote for a man who bombs children with drones and oversees the increasing polarization of wealth in this country.
I still think it's bullshiznit.
Nope, no Nazis in new Ukrainian government.
Maybe the man thinks that nazis are members of Germany's NSDP.
I still think it's bullshiznit.
Do not judge now.
After two or three decades it will be clear whether those actions were lesser evil or not.We all know how previous US's try to have fun with a lesser evil concept turned out.
ORDER THEM TO USE GAS AND CLUBS.
Just think about that. Legitimate governments don't have to issue orders for this violence against their own people.
Protesters Clash With Police After ‘Occupy Oakland’ Camp Raided
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Sadly, I've seen a number of people on the Internet who claim that fascism is just as lefty as communism and that the feud between them is just a struggle to control poor people and oppress the rich.
I'm afraid to ask our neighborhood goblin what he thinks of that idea.
Off the top of my head? I'd think you've been reading Lyndon Larouche.
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I'm afraid to ask our neighborhood goblin what he thinks of that idea.
Define communism and fascism.(important thing here is that communism is utopia,while fascism is real)
Because,you see,even goblin and me can't agree on a lots of things,because
socialist movement are split pretty bad.
Which is exactly how the ruling class wants it to be.
Ukrainian left has been reduced to about two organizations (well, that get their messages out to the west anyway): the Autonomous Workers or Ukraine movement (libcoms and anarcho-syndicalists) and Borotba (left-split from the Stalinists).
IIRC, Autonomen attempted to mingle in Maidan; got beat up and expelled by fascists who, of course, don't really exist, and therefore didn't similarly expel gays and peaceniks. They later tried to set up their own anti-fascist Maidan. Borotba, as the interview above says, said from day one "We're not going into this fascist breeding ground" and tried to set up a Left Maidan where they held banners depicting famous Ukrainian revolutionaries including, ironically enough for those who follow these kinds of things, portraits of Leon Trotsky and Klement Voroshilov (not one of Trotsky's pals).
Since that time, Borotba and the autonomen have been accusing each other of selling out to opposite sides in struggle. Huzzah left sectarianism!
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the lesser evil was NOT to massacre the protesters in Kiev. That's just evil period.
Agreed. Which is exactly what the neonazi junta has been doing from day one. Don't get me wrong - yanukovich was a corrupt oligarch - but there's no denying that the heaviest and most brutal violence has been from the neonazi groups all along. And while Maidan wasn't strictly a neonazi movement, the neonazis where a very powerful part of it.
The people who've taken over are corrupt, yeah, but they aren't nazis. That's a ridiculous assertion.
Yeah, these people being nazis? What a ridiculous claim!
EDIT: Woopsie.
Psst, Comrade Lunzie, please doublecheck your Quote Tags.
Another link from the same commie page.
Partly because it has more info about the suppression of the left by the Kiev government, partly because it has an embedded Vice News video I saw yesterday about the Donbass Battalion.
Another VN piece that I enjoyed:
Corruption, Cocaine, and Murder in Trinidad
That tough mo'fo posin' all thug life and showin' off his Masonic rings? He's a cop.
Things I learned: Currently, there is a war between "The Muslims" and "Rasta City" gangsters; also, Trinidad appears to be the only country in the western hemisphere that has had an attempted Islamic coup. Whether they are the same as The Muslim gangsters, or whether the latter took that name because they thought it was badass, I couldn't figure out.
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failing United States of America-Russian relations just killed joint space program.
No more Russian rocket motors for your rockets.
failing United States of America-Russian relations just killed joint space program.
No more Russian rocket motors for your rockets.
It doesn't work that way.Space industry is a very long game.
R&D for new engine may very well take a decade.Or more.And you can't buy tech for it any more than RF can buy,for example,Intel.
Also,according to reports,LPR and DPR unified into a new state.
Novorossia,obviously.
Also was voiced claim for another six southeast provinces.
Update:NUMEROUS reports.
Looks like it wasn't fake.
the lesser evil was NOT to massacre the protesters in Kiev. That's just evil period.Agreed. Which is exactly what the neonazi junta has been doing from day one. Don't get me wrong - yanukovich was a corrupt oligarch - but there's no denying that the heaviest and most brutal violence has been from the neonazi groups all along. And while Maidan wasn't strictly a neonazi movement, the neonazis where a very powerful part of it.
The people who've taken over are corrupt, yeah, but they aren't nazis. That's a ridiculous assertion.Yeah, these people being nazis? What a ridiculous claim!
EDIT: Woopsie.
Gaberlunzie, you saved me a whole lot of typing and refuting with a couple of images that say so very much about the folks our tax dollars helped put into power in Kiev. Thanks! To Obama, Nuland, Kerry, et al ... congratulations! May your new friends in Kiev treat you like so many of your old friends did. :-)
To Obama, Nuland, Kerry, et al ... congratulations! May your new friends in Kiev treat you like so many of your old friends did. :-)
Let's hope not like old friends.
That would be really,really sad.But then,those billions of american taxpayers's dollars save billions of russian dollars,so who am i to complain?
Where will that voracious Russian Bear turn its eye next? Good old fashioned propaganda piece.
Trying to make the truth look like lies.
Can anyone read this s#!t and take it seriously? How brazenly the CSM takes the truth (read Lavrov and Shoigu's quotes) and tries to frame them as self-serving liars, ending the article with "His (Gerasimov's) comments raise the concern that when it comes to Russian intervention in its neighbors' affairs, Ukraine may be just the beginning."
I'm speechless at the media's lack of intelligence and their short memories.
Can anyone read this s#!t and take it seriously?
I can!If i imagine that i'm reading some Spycraft sourcebook.
Much like all the talk about how Russia had no interest in looking beyond Crimea?
Well,rebels already had referendum,and formally requested to join RF.
No recognition,no nothing.Because El Presidente,like any good Cylon,has a plan.Also,what's so bad about expansion,especially if people are OK with it?
thejeff, all indications are that the unrest in eastern Ukraine are indeed native-led and run. You don't really think Ukraine is a country full of rosy-cheeked, happy little peasants who just love their new neo-nazi junta in Kiev, do you?
And hey, I'm not above criticizing Putin. He should probably wear a shirt more often. And stop riding around on horses all the time. And I don't think he deserves a Nobel prize for peace. Any more than Dronestrike McWarmonger deserved one.
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Off the top of my head? I'd think you've been reading Lyndon Larouche.Sadly, I've seen a number of people on the Internet who claim that fascism is just as lefty as communism and that the feud between them is just a struggle to control poor people and oppress the rich.
I'm afraid to ask our neighborhood goblin what he thinks of that idea.
Nope, part of that crowd of Baen Publishing authors who have been complaining that they aren't being given Hugo awards because of a Vast Liberal Conspiracy. They are happy to tell you that it is all the Fault of the Democrats. Also, Democrats are fascist-commie bad people who hate America.
Is Larouche a libertarian, or a conspiracy theorist? (Or both?) all I can dredge up from the memory banks is something about '... And the rest of the Larouchites (cue uproarious laughter)'
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Much like all the talk about how Russia had no interest in looking beyond Crimea?Well,rebels already had referendum,and formally requested to join RF.
No recognition,no nothing.Because El Presidente,like any good Cylon,has a plan.
Also,what's so bad about expansion,especially if people are OK with it?
people are NOT ok with it, the referendums were NOT legitimate, etc.
For someone who is decrying how Kiev is run by neo-nazis, it's strange how you can't see that it is Moscow who is running another Anschluss.
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Much like all the talk about how Russia had no interest in looking beyond Crimea?Well,rebels already had referendum,and formally requested to join RF.
No recognition,no nothing.Because El Presidente,like any good Cylon,has a plan.
Also,what's so bad about expansion,especially if people are OK with it?people are NOT ok with it, the referendums were NOT legitimate, etc.
For someone who is decrying how Kiev is run by neo-nazis, it's strange how you can't see that it is Moscow who is running another Anschluss.
Yes, it's interesting how the Amercian media portrays some voting as illegal and other voting as moral and just. Good ol' fashioned democracy, right? Protip: Figure out how to run fair elections in your own country before criticizing other people's voting.
As for Moscow's "Anschluss" - we shall see if they have territorial ambitions anything close to those of NATOs. Just a question: what fancy German name should one give to an aging, decrepit, debtor "superpower" which maintains military bases all over the world, invading over a dozen nations since the end of WW2 and bombing many others? Just curious.
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Much like the referendums are moral and just, but this weekend's elections will be illegal and illegitimate, right?
We'll see how the elections go. Seems like some folks are sensing a fait accompli and are tired of seeing the same old faces in power. Wonder when western nations will wake up to that reality for themselves?
Russia's territorial ambitions are limited by its power, which means they won't, at this point, extend as far as NATO's. OTOH, there's also a difference between annexing (parts of) countries and making defense treaties with them.
Yes, I suppose the American government would be experts on the subtleties of annexing others land. Invading another nation halfway around the world, then installing a puppet regime is much cleaner and moral than protecting ones' strategic interests right on their own border, right?
Seems like some folks are sensing a fait accompli and are tired of seeing the same old faces in power. Wonder when western nations will wake up to that reality for themselves?
Of all the relevant political players, the "same old face" that has been in power the longest is Putin. I'm pretty sure all western nations are awake to the problems that he has caused. As are plenty of Russians, not that they are likely to have a chance to get rid of him any time soon.
For someone who is decrying how Kiev is run by neo-nazis, it's strange how you can't see that it is Moscow who is running another Anschluss.
While I'm very much critical of Putin (he should be hanged, along with the rest of the oligarchs and plutocrats of the world), the whole situation is much more Pinochet than Anchluss.
Seems like some folks are sensing a fait accompli and are tired of seeing the same old faces in power. Wonder when western nations will wake up to that reality for themselves?Of all the relevant political players, the "same old face" that has been in power the longest is Putin. I'm pretty sure all western nations are awake to the problems that he has caused. As are plenty of Russians, not that they are likely to have a chance to get rid of him any time soon.
Who the person at the top is is quite irrelevant. It's the power structures that are relevant. And NATO has been in power far longer than the current power-players in russia.
And I'm pretty sure all nations are awake to the problems NATO and the american government have caused, as are plenty of americans - but when they do the same things as russian protesters, they are deemed terrorists and locked away while we woe over Putin acting the same way towards the protestors there.
The russian administration and the american administration are equally powerhungry and corrupt - it's just that the US has more power, and because of that more people are afraid of them, despite their massive propaganda (and moscow propaganda can't hold a candle to that).
What problems has Putin caused? I'd love to hear some. From what I can tell, his main "problems" have been thwarting the will of the western powers, in particular the U.S. He brokered a deal that made it impossible for Obama to pursue his agenda of war and violence in Syria; that was villainous, wasn't it? Especially after all the effort the U.S. went to, framing the Assad regime for a rebel chemical attack.
He does business with Iran, which really irritates the U.S., which has tried to frame those dirty Persians with a non-existent nuclear weapons program. I guess the IAEA must be bad guys as well since they keep confirming Iran's reports and refuting those of Israel, the U.S. - you know, the usual band of warmongers. Still, bad Putin!
And he does business with China! How dare he look to his nations' long term interests and deal with them! Fiend! How are our governments supposed to impoverish Russia if they don't meekly accept our sanctions and back down before our military might! Oooh that Putin! He has irritated me! And you too, it seems, Gallo!
Uhm... Putin is a fascistoid plutocrat that crush unions, HBTQ people and anyone who works for social reform. He (or rather, the government he's the head of) causes a hell of a lot of problems for the russian population.
He's the same kind of bad as Kim Jong, and the Saudi royal family, but he has a bit more military power and is kind of a bit more willing to use it.
Lets not get anti-imperialism to mean excusing or defending semi-dictators that opress their people horribly. It's perfectly possible (and the only reasonable stance) to say that Putin is an asshat that should at the very least lose all kind of power and rot away in a cell, without defending the US/NATOs imperialist, pro-nazi power grabs.
Heck, I like your posts, don't go all Vlad on me now. :@
Chechnya?
But I'm sure there's some way to blame that on the US. Or something.
Oh, didn't you know? The russians where completely in the right to do that, because it's in their interest. Vlad said so. >.<
Uhm... Putin is a fascistoid plutocrat that crush unions, HBTQ people and anyone who works for social reform. He (or rather, the government he's the head of) causes a hell of a lot of problems for the russian population.
He's the same kind of bad as Kim Jong, and the Saudi royal family, but he has a bit more military power and is kind of a bit more willing to use it.
Lets not get anti-imperialism to mean excusing or defending semi-dictators that opress their people horribly. It's perfectly possible (and the only reasonable stance) to say that Putin is an asshat that should at the very least lose all kind of power and rot away in a cell, without defending the US/NATOs imperialist, pro-nazi power grabs.
Heck, I like your posts, don't go all Vlad on me now. :@
I disagree that Putin is as bad as you say. I think he's got a lot of westerner's noses out of joint because he refuses to knuckle under to our government's demands, refuses to back down in the face of our aggression, and refuses to take the bait in Ukraine.
And if he is bad, he is Russia's problem to deal with. Let's not project our values onto their culture - isn't that the sort of imperialist mindset you'd be concerned with? We have innumerable issues - including prejudice - to deal with here, ourselves. We have no moral high horse upon which to sit. And I don't see Russia backing coups on our own backdoor. Do they fund Quebec separatists? Establish bases in Mexico? Nope. But our governments have done those things and worse to Russia. How would you respond to those provocations? And btw, Putin is elected. And he didn't even need Diebold machines to help him get there.
Our media has portrayed all sorts as horrid dictators. Where do you even get the truth from now, anyways? If you listened to the news media you'd have thought Hugo Chavez was a horrible villain. In reality, his biggest crime was opposing American interests in his region. How many drums of war has our media sounded about Iran? Syria? How silent are they about the military coups in Thailand, in Egypt? You trust these people for a fair portrait of Putin?
Chechnya?
But I'm sure there's some way to blame that on the US. Or something.
And it will not even require much effort.
Chechen War is extension of Afghanistan war.With two major differences.
A)militants stopped getting THAT MUCH support from US(but not from the UAE),so no stingers and stuff.
B)People of CR was by far not as stupid as Afghans in that they just actually wanted the normal life.
But,US's actions in A-stan continue to bite it in the ass far longer then it bites RF(kinda),so it's OK.
HBTQ people
I am pretty sure your pants are on fire.
Much like the referendums are moral and just, but this weekend's elections will be illegal and illegitimate, right?
I see what your mass media did there.Moral and just are not opposite of illegal.
Duh.Referendums affected their provinces,but today's elections affect the whole country.
And yes,coup was illegal,removal of the president was illegal,changes to voting law were illegal(but i bet you didn't even hear of them),so that makes elections illegal.
people are NOT ok with it
You do not have the right to speak for Ukrainian people, and they can do that themselves just fine.
And now they are speaking language of armed rebellion against central government.And Crimeans?
They are OK with it.
non-existent nuclear weapons program
Last time i heard,the deal was signed for eight new nuclear reactors.
With that much power(why can't i find that clip from weird science?!)if they wanted nuclear program,it will be easy.Real problem is delivery systems.
Vlad said so. >.<
As a matter of fact,he did.
Wait,what Vlad are you talking about?
I disagree that Putin is as bad as you say. I think he's got a lot of westerner's noses out of joint because he refuses to knuckle under to our government's demands, refuses to back down in the face of our aggression, and refuses to take the bait in Ukraine.
That's why western government and big business (including media) doesn't like him. That's not why any reasonable person shouldn't like him.
And if he is bad, he is Russia's problem to deal with.
Depends on what you mean. No, we shouldn't invade russia, of course. We - as people - should support the groups working against his oppression and for social change. A part of that is not making excuses for the regime.
Let's not project our values onto their culture - isn't that the sort of imperialist mindset you'd be concerned with?
No, that's not what I'm concerned with. The suffering of the russian people is what I'm concerned with. Relativizing the suffering of oppressed groups as "culture" is beyond amoral.
No, I'm not going to make excuses for Putin, Moussolini, Pinochet or Obama just because they're from different countries than me and their "cultures might be different".
"Cultural relativism" is bullcrap when it comes to oppressive shit.
We have innumerable issues - including prejudice - to deal with here, ourselves. We have no moral high horse upon which to sit.
I'm not a nationalist. Why should I care what "moral high horse" my nation state has or hasn't?
I'm gay, and as part of that group, YES I have a "moral high ground" on the people trying to criminalize my existence. I'm working class, and as part of that group, YES I have a "moral high ground" on the people exploiting me and my class.Just because there are oligarchs and homophobes in power in my country too doesn't mean I have to make excuses for the same thing happening in other countries.
They should all be stripped of power and locked up in a cell.
And I don't see Russia backing coups on our own backdoor.
Your backdoor is not my backdoor. Mexico is further away than Ukraine for me. Just wanted to have that out of the way, not that I worry about being invaded by russia. But regardless, neither was that my claim. Russia isn't military imperialist, but that's not the gold standard for "not causing problems".
And btw, Putin is elected. And he didn't even need Diebold machines to help him get there.
So what if he's elected? So was Saddam Hussein and Obama, neither of which makes these democratic.
Our media has portrayed all sorts as horrid dictators.
And most of them have been, or rather, they've been the face of oligarchies. The issue isn't media showing them being dictators, the issue is media not showing how the US, NATO and most of the western world works the same way.
Where do you even get the truth from now, anyways? If you listened to the news media you'd have thought Hugo Chavez was a horrible villain.
Chavez is probably the least horrible of the people the US has gone after, though that doesn't mean he's been so much of a good guy. I don't know enough about Salvador Allende (that was before my time) to really know but he didn't seem like such a horrible guy either.
But Hussein, Bin Laden, Putin, Kim Jong, Ahmadinejad, Castro and most others they've been reporting as dictators? Yeah, those've been a##@$@!s. The issue is not reporting how the US administration is a&~~%!!s, too.
Thing is, we need to crush the oligarchs. All of them. And by "we", I mean the people, the working class. Not some nation state, because nation states are bullshit.
So what if he's elected? So was Saddam Hussein and Obama, neither of which makes these democratic.
NOW you are starting to get it.
I think i will quote one very smart man.it establishes its power so securely, so firmly, that no change of persons, institutions or parties in the bourgeois-democratic republic can shake it.
We - as people - should support the groups working against his oppression and for social change
Oh,but you can't.No-one can,because RF is socially stable,more or less.
And what's more,full of people who will kill for that stability,myself included.Seriously,there are no better capitalism,because we are already have one of the better versions,that doesn't opress working class AS much,and socialism is out of the question.So no would-be revolutioner can offer anything.Exept chaos and war.
Thanks but no thanks.
But we have more interesting things to discuss on the election day!
Ukrainian people today make their choice:
a)Petr Poroshenko
b)Yulia Timoshenko
c)Third Option
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Also more than a dozen other clowns.
So let's look at what these guys and gals promise,shall we?
We must live a new life!
Key points:(with commentary)
1:Live free{and die hard)!
I will not give myself more power than electors give me(thanks for that).
I will initiate parliament re-elections before the end of the year,if i am able(because another elections changes everything!)
Decentralization of power,but nothing concrete.
I will pay attention to protecting Crimean ukrainians and tatars(problem is,Ukraine can't possibly send more mad dollarz their way than russia)
Ukrainian language will remain the only language,because i think situation worked pretty well so far
2:
Live without poverty(without giving definitions of poverty)
Reduce corruption,and do something to MIA.Reduce monopolies influence.
(very funny on all counts coming from oligarch)
Provide acess of ukrainian goods to world markets(with what army?)
Agrarian production may very well be the key to prosperity of Ukrainian economy(now get back and plow,peasants!)
(seriously,this is all really stupid.Most of Ukrainian industry was built by USSR and for USSR.Europe has different standards.Transforming the industry will cost upwards from 100bn,but agriculture doesn't need to be transformed.)
3
Live honestly!
Reform of the judge system,intolerance to corruption as a national idea(i....have nothing.Seriously,this?)
4
Live safe(you bet there are talks of war all over here)
Priority is placed upon return of temporarily occupied Crimea by diplomatic means(this is important,remember it)
Increase military funding(yep,diplomatic means) by orders of magnitude(GOOD GOD!This clown didn't even knows what order of magnitude is!Also,who will pay for all this show?)
Providing independence on external energy(without Crimea and possibly Donbass.Yeah,right)
Reducing energy dependence is a duty of all,so please turn off the lights.(i do not even kidding!)
And that's...kinda it.
Bland,boring,and full of lies and impossible to accomplish promises.
We will return after musical break.