So I'm looking to build a paladin that can survive a huge amount of damage and keep trucking via lay on hands keeping him alive. I'm looking for a simple great sword swinging paladin (so power attack and maybe furious focus), but mainly built around surviving without any healing support. Last time I played one the cleric basically had to stand behind me and drop healing every other round and I'd like to avoid that.
Race if preferably human (though after looking the tiefling self healing bonus seems like a massive boost)... assuming WBL and 20 point buy what is the best healing I can get by level 10? Thanks for the help!
Focus on your Lay on Hands ability.
Take Fey Foundling
Be a Halfing and use the alternate favored class choice every time to increase your LOH.
Take Extra Lay on Hands
Take the feat that gives you an extra d6 of healing if none of your mercies apply.
Okay, so a tiefling (+10 from alternative class) with fey foundling, greater mercy, and Bracers of the merciful knight (to add +4 levels to effective LOH level).
So that would increase LoH healing to 8d6(5d6 from level, 2d6 from bracers, 1d6 from greater mercy) +31 ( 5 from charisma, 10 from class bonus, 16 from Fey foundling). Do those numbers add up right? With an effective paladin level of 14 from the bracers... that gives you (7 level + 5 charisma) LoH per day. That's a crapload of healing for not a terribly hard investment.
Where does the 5 points from Charisma come from?
8d6+26 looks correct for that combination. And with an effective 14th level, yes, it looks like 7+5=12 times per day.
96d6+312 hp of healing is nothing to sneeze at!
You may want to consider being a Hospitaler and/or taking a level or three in Life Oracle.
Either of those will get you a channel pool. You can use a Meditation Crystal to convert your small (probably 2d6 or 3d6) channels into Lay on Hands.
Life Oracle will also let you take the Life Link revelation which helps keep everyone else standing.
The tiefling bonus is the best. Kyton-Spawn and Rakshasa-Spawn are your best choices for this one. Maybe demon-spawn, maybe.
Warrior of the holy light will give you two more uses of lay on hands by level 10. P. good. BUT, admittedly, you lose access to the spell Hero's Defiance. Hero's defiance will use Lay on hands as an immediate action whenever you are reach 0 hit points (plus 1d6 I guess), which can be a real life saver (and can't be done with a wand). Heal mount is also pretty nice when you have a mount.
There are a ton of good spells for mount use, in fact. Mounts are really nice. Consider prehensile tail for swift action wand draw. Actually, do that either way, fiendish sorcery does nothing for you.
With two feats you can get eldritch heritage and get a familiar. This familiar can transfer a cure spell onto you for a bit of additional healing. Not enough healing to be worth two feats? Almost definitely not enough. Awful idea, sorry I suggested it.
Get yourself a mount instead of the magic sword bit. A good mount has a ton of hit points itself, and while it's not always applicable, you can really pump your livability simply by being two targets.
This is exactly how my paladin for PFS is built. She's a demon-spawn tiefling (+2 Str, +2 Cha, -2 Int) and currently level 5. When I get home, I'll copy and paste he stat block from HeroLab.
What I can remember is that she started with 16 Str and 18 Cha. Took Fey Foundling at level 1 and Greater Mercy at level 3. I think level 5 was Extra Lay on Hands, but I'm not 100% certain. I remember buying a Cha headband before a Str belt, and I always have 2 hero's defiance memorized, just to be safe.
Oh, and she's an Oath of Vengeance paladin that uses a nodachi (will eventually be keen, giggity), so she can convert those LoH into Smite Evil if she has to. As soon as she hits level 6 I'm going to get her Bracers of the Merciful Knight.
Thanks for the replies and I'd love to see that build Big.
Nice catch on the meditation crystal skaldi!
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I once made a sorcerer/paladin who could heal others for 1d6 hp with his lay on hands. However, whenever he used it on himself he would healed 13 hp. Greedy bastard. :D
Well that wasn't very generous!
Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan wrote: Where does the 5 points from Charisma come from?
8d6+26 looks correct for that combination. And with an effective 14th level, yes, it looks like 7+5=12 times per day.
96d6+312 hp of healing is nothing to sneeze at!
Especially when you take into account that it includes condition removal and its all done as a swift action. I've always said that Lay on Hands was one of the most under-valued class features in the game, certainly more so than the ubiquitous Smite.
Bigdaddyjug wrote: This is exactly how my paladin for PFS is built. She's a demon-spawn tiefling (+2 Str, +2 Cha, -2 Int) and currently level 5. When I get home, I'll copy and paste he stat block from HeroLab.
What I can remember is that she started with 16 Str and 18 Cha. Took Fey Foundling at level 1 and Greater Mercy at level 3. I think level 5 was Extra Lay on Hands, but I'm not 100% certain. I remember buying a Cha headband before a Str belt, and I always have 2 hero's defiance memorized, just to be safe.
Oh, and she's an Oath of Vengeance paladin that uses a nodachi (will eventually be keen, giggity), so she can convert those LoH into Smite Evil if she has to. As soon as she hits level 6 I'm going to get her Bracers of the Merciful Knight.
Oath of Vengeance is definitely the way to go, especially with multiple Extra Lay on Hands feats. We're running a Tiefling Paladin similar to that with an Oracle dip in Wrath of the Righteous and he's beastly. As an OoV, a single Extra Lay on Hands feat grants two swift action heals or one bonus Smite - not a bad return for a one feat investment.
I was considering making her an oradin, but I decided that straight paladin was just as effective at keeping her self alive, and more effective at dishing out the pain. I also play an aasimar life oracle in PFS, and those are beastly healers as well.
Here's my paladin. As I said, currently level 5.
Allizsah Bloodfeather
Female Demon-Spawn Tiefling Paladin (Oath of Vengeance) 5
LG Medium outsider (native)
Init +1; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +2
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Defense
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AC 21, touch 11, flat-footed 20 (+10 armor, +1 Dex)
hp 44 (5d10+10)
Fort +11, Ref +7, Will +9; +2 vs. death
Immune disease, fear; Resist cold 5, electricity 5, fire 5
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Offense
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Speed 20 ft.
Melee light shield bash +10 (1d3+5) and
+1 nodachi +11 (1d10+8/18-20) and
cold iron longsword +10 (1d8+5/19-20)
Special Attacks smite evil
Spell-Like Abilities
At will—deathwatch, detect evil
Paladin (Oath of Vengeance) Spells Prepared (CL 2nd; concentration +7):
1st—hero's defiance (x2), lesser restoration
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Statistics
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Str 20, Dex 12, Con 14, Int 5, Wis 10, Cha 20
Base Atk +5; CMB +10; CMD 21
Feats Extra Lay on Hands, Fey Foundling, Greater Mercy
Traits dangerously curious, suicidal
Skills Diplomacy +11, Perception +2, Use Magic Device +11
Languages Abyssal, Common
SQ tiefling paladin, aura of courage, aura of good, channel wrath, divine bonds (weapon +1, 1/day), lay on hands, mercies (mercy [fatigued])
Combat Gear Scroll of Restoration, Lesser, Restoration, Lesser, Restoration, Lesser, Restoration, Lesser, Restoration, Les, wand of cure light wounds, wand of shield (50 charges); Other Gear +1 full plate, light wooden quickdraw shield, +1 nodachi, cold iron longsword, belt of giant strength +2, headband of alluring charisma +2, ioun stone (vibrant purple prism, cracked), wayfinder, backpack, masterwork, grappling hook, holy symbol, wooden, silk rope, 412 GP
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Special Abilities
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+5 when using Lay on hands for yourself. Add +1 to the amount of damage the paladin heals with lay on hands, but only when the paladin uses that ability on herself.
Aura of Courage +4 (10' radius) (Su) You are immune to Fear. Allies within aura gain a morale bonus to saves vs Fear.
Aura of Good (Ex) The paladin has an Aura of Good with power equal to her class level.
Channel Wrath (Su) When an oathbound paladin reach 4th level, she can spend two uses of her lay on hands ability to gain an extra use of smite evil that day.
This ability has no effect for a paladin who does not have the smite evil ability. This ability replaces
Darkvision (60 feet) You can see in the dark (black and white vision only).
Detect Evil (At will) (Sp) You can use detect evil at will (as the spell).
Divine Bond (Weapon +1) (5 minutes) (1/day) (Sp) Weapon shines with light and gains enhancement bonuses or chosen properties.
Energy Resistance, Cold (5) You have the specified Energy Resistance against Cold attacks.
Energy Resistance, Electricity (5) You have the specified Energy Resistance against Electricity attacks.
Energy Resistance, Fire (5) You have the specified Energy Resistance against Fire attacks.
Fey Foundling Magical healing works better on you
Greater Mercy Lay on hands heals extra hit points if the target doesn't need a mercy
Immunity to Disease You are immune to diseases.
Immunity to Fear (Ex) You are immune to all fear effects.
Ioun stone (vibrant purple prism, cracked) This stone bears an obvious crack, whether as a result of crafting, because the raw stone began cracked, or due to damage. It stores one spell level, as a ring of spell storing (stored spells must be placed by a spellcaster but can be used by anyone).
A Prism is usually faceted, with a long shape where top and bottom have the same number of sides. Normally the width and angle of all sides are uniform. Ioun stones orbit the head within d3 feet and have AC 24, hardness 5, and 10 Hp.
Construction
Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, imbue with spell ability, creator must be 12th level; Cost 1,000 gp
Lay on Hands (2d6) (9/day) (Su) You can heal 2d6 damage, 9/day
Mercy (Fatigued) (Su) When you use your lay on hands ability, it also removes the fatigued condition.
Scroll of Restoration, Lesser, Restoration, Lesser, Restoration, Lesser, Restoration, Lesser, Restor Add this item to create a scroll with spells on it.
Smite Evil (2/day) (Su) +5 to hit, +5 to damage, +5 deflection bonus to AC when used.
Suicidal (1/day) Shame and horror fill your subconscious, and you never stop looking for ways to grant yourself the peace of the grave. Once per day, as an immediate action, you can make yourself the target of any attack originally directed against a creature occupyi
Wand of shield (50 charges) Add this item to create a wand of a chosen spell.
Bigdaddyjug wrote: Here's my paladin. As I said, currently level 5.
Allizsah Bloodfeather
Female Demon-Spawn Tiefling Paladin (Oath of Vengeance) 5
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Str 20, Dex 12, Con 14, Int 5, Wis 10, Cha 20
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Divine Bond (Weapon +1) (5 minutes) (1/day) (Sp) Weapon shines with light and gains enhancement bonuses or chosen properties.
Taking the weapon divine bond was a mistake - you should have gotten a mount (min INT 6). The roleplay would have been absolutely priceless.
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