Confusion vs. Song of Discord

[Kroisos]

Hi,

I have a question about the spells Confusion and Song of Discord. If my bard casts both of them, in which order are they "checked", and in which order are they resolved?

Confusion says:

RAW wrote:

Roll on the following table at the start of each subject's turn each round to see what it does in that round.

Song of Discord says:

RAW wrote:

Roll to determine each creature's behavior every round at the beginning of its turn.

Now, the outcome of either of these spells could influence the behaviour of the other one, so the order in which these two checks are done counts. Which one is done first?

Or would you first do both checks, based on the character's current "confusion-status", and only then roll for the effects? In case of the latter, which roll for effect comes first: the Confusion-table or the 50% Song of Discord-check?

Please clarify...

[Kroisos]

No reaction in three months...

Should I conclude that no-one knows?

[Cuttler]

that is honestly not an easy one. As per RAW, don't see anything that would answer the question....

One spell makes you confused, the other compels you to attack closest creature...But they are very similar spells..

The closest rule I can find is this one (CRB p. 209):

Same Effect with Differing Results: The same spell can sometimes produce varying effects if applied to the same recipient more than once. Usually the last spell in the series trumps the others. None of the previous spells are actually removed or dispelled, but their effects become irrelevant while the final spell in the series lasts.

One Effect Makes Another Irrelevant: Sometimes, one spell can render a later spell irrelevant. Both spells are still active, but one has rendered the other useless in some fashion.

Multiple Mental Control Effects: Sometimes magical effects
that establish mental control render each other irrelevant, such as spells that remove the subject’s ability to act. Mental controls that don’t remove the recipient’s ability to act usually do not interfere with each other. If a creature is under the mental control of two or more creatures, it tends to obey each to the best of its ability, and to the extent of the control each effect allows. If the controlled creature receives conflicting orders simultaneously, the competing controllers must make opposed Charisma checks to determine which one the creature obeys.

So, the way I see it (propose unless someone has better idea or interpretation...), you have different possible scenarios:

1) Go with : " Usually the last spell in the series trumps the others."
So (for e.g.)if Song of discord was the last one, only roll for this one...

2) Go for the highest level first then apply the second one:
Roll song of discord first. If result is attack closest target, then don't roll on the confused. If results is act normally, then roll on the confusion table...

The second one seems more realistic and would take care of both effects, but not sure if it would be more RAW!!!

Hope it helps....

[Kroisos]

I just thought af a possible solution that would be quite appropriate in this particular case (we're talking about confusion, after all...

Why not just flip a coin every turn to decide which effect to apply first, and in what order to resolve the rolls...

:-)

Anyway, thanks for your reply!