Siege Gunner Feat


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion

Sczarni RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32

If I am reading things correctly, the only thing the feat actually does is make misdirects from indirect-fire siege engines go from 1d4 per range increment to 1 per. Why? Well, in the paragraph about direct siege engines it says that any ranks in Knowledge (engineering) removes penalties from the siege engine being larger than the commander.

Here is the feat:

Siege Gunner:
Aiming outsized siege weapons poses little difficulty for you.

Prerequisites: Siege Engineer, Profession (siege engineer) 5 ranks.

Benefit: You take no size penalty for aiming a direct-fire siege weapon larger than yourself. If you operate an indirect-fire siege weapon and miss, you misdirect fire by 1 square per range increment.

Normal: Direct-fire weapons impose a –2 attack roll penalty per size category by which the weapon is larger than the creature aiming it. An indirect-fire weapon that misses misdirects fire by 1d4 squares per range increment.

By the way, the above feat requires the feat Siege Engineer, which requires you have 5 ranks in Knowledge (engineering.)

And here is the paragraph explaining the penalties for size difference.

Direct Fire Siege Engines:
Direct-Fire Ranged Siege Engines: Direct-fire weapons launch their projectiles on a relatively flat trajectory, allowing them to more easily target creatures or pummel barriers directly in front of them. A direct-fire weapon uses a normal attack roll, with the normal penalty for nonproficient use. In addition, a direct-fire weapon takes a –2 attack roll penalty per size category that the weapon is larger than the creature aiming it. Creatures that have ranks in Knowledge (engineering) or use a targeting platform (see below) are not adversely affected by their size when firing direct-fire ranged siege engines. Sheer manpower can also reduce the penalties for size. Increasing the crew of these weapons by 1 or more can reduce the attack roll penalty for creature size: as long as an extra crew member is no smaller than three size categories smaller than the direct-fire weapon, it can reduce the penalty due to the aiming creature’s size by 2. For example, a Huge ballista fired by a Medium creature that is part of a crew of two (the creature aiming the ballista and someone to help position it) takes only a –2 penalty on attack rolls.

Bold mine.

So... am I reading things correctly? Does the requirement for the feat actually just make the first part of it redundant?


The feat Siege Engineer requires Profession(Siege Engineer) or Knowledge (Engineering), so no, the requirements don't necessarily negate the penalty, though they might.

Sczarni RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32

It doesn't make the feat completely useless, just less appealing.

I doubt the mistake will be fixed anytime soon, as there are tons of other things for the team to do.

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