I don't know how to word this so I just have to use an example.
Augment Summoning calls for Spell Focus(Conj) as a pre-req and Superior summoning only calls for Augment Summoning and a caster level of 3.
The Diabolist prestige class gets Augment Summoning as a bonus feat even if you do not meet the pre-requisites. So can you build off of that and get Superior Summoning? Or would you need Spell Focus(Conj) to be able to actually build off of Augment Summoning?
You can get Superior Summoning, if it doesn't also have Spell Focus: Conjuration as a prerequisite.
It's a bit like Rangers and Combat Style Feats. A 12 Dex Ranger can have Two-Weapon Fighting...but that doesn't qualify him for, say, Double Slice (which requires Dex 15 as well as Two-Weapon Fighting).
Two different explanations <_<
But meaning the same thing.
Yours is worded in such a way that implies he can't get Superior Summoning. It confused me as well.
He meets all the prerequisites for Superior Summoning (Augment Summoning, Caster level 3rd). The fact that he doesn't have Spell Focus is irrelevant, since it doesn't have the redundant prerequisite (Spell Focus, Augment Summoning, Caster Level 3rd).
But meaning the same thing.
No you said the exact opposite
Not all bonus feats allow you to bypass prereqs. It has to be specifically written in the class description.
As an example fighter bonus feats don't bypass prereqs, but the ones for rangers and monks do.
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Not all bonus feats allow you to bypass prereqs. It has to be specifically written in the class description.
As an example fighter bonus feats don't bypass prereqs, but the ones for rangers and monks do.
The OP isn't asking about bonus feats. He has the bonus feat already. What he's asking about is taking another feat, that only has that bonus feat as a prerequisite, when the prerequisite bonus feat has other prerequisites that he doesn't have.
...that didn't make any sense, did it?
Wow, seriously trying to think of a way to clearly restate the original question; I see why OP used an example.
To be honest, I wasn't aware that 'higher tier' feats ever dropped any of its child feats' requirements.
Not all bonus feats allow you to bypass prereqs. It has to be specifically written in the class description.
As an example fighter bonus feats don't bypass prereqs, but the ones for rangers and monks do.
The OP isn't asking about bonus feats. He has the bonus feat already. What he's asking about is taking another feat, that only has that bonus feat as a prerequisite, when the prerequisite bonus feat has other prerequisites that he doesn't have.
...that didn't make any sense, did it?
If the feats he wants is NOT a bonus feat then he must fill all prereqs for the feat he wants.
If the feat he wants is a bonus feat then he must defer to the class ability granting the bonus feat to determine if the prereqs have to be met.
For the example he mentioned Rynjin is correct.
Wow, seriously trying to think of a way to clearly restate the original question; I see why OP used an example.
To be honest, I wasn't aware that 'higher tier' feats ever dropped any of its child feats' requirements.
Generally they don't. I am surprised to see it myself. I am thinking it is a typo, but it is RAW so until errata comes out it is legal.