Caster Level, Cleric Level, Level?


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Cleric spells go back and forth between Caster Level, Cleric Level, and just Level. So which domain spells does the Beacon of Faith trait apply to?

Beacon of Faith: You wield the might of your faith with power and clarity. Once per day as a free action, you may treat your caster level as if it were 2 levels higher when using one of the granted powers of your domain or inquisition, or when casting one of your domain spells.

Examples:

SEARING LIGHT
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
A creature struck by this ray of light takes 1d8 points of damage per two caster levels (maximum 5d8).

SHIELD OF FAITH
Duration 1 min./level
The spell grants the subject a +2 deflection bonus to AC, with an additional +1 to the bonus for every six levels you have (maximum +5 deflection bonus at 18th level).

SUN'S BLESSING
Whenever you channel positive energy to harm undead creatures, add your cleric level to the damage dealt. Undead do not add their channel resistance to their saves when you channel positive energy.

Are Caster Levels, Cleric Levels, and Levels the same?

Sczarni

HERE are the PRD definitions of "character level", "class level", and "caster level".

If you're a level 1 Cleric, they're all 1.

If you're a CLR-1/WIZ-1, your character level is 2, but your caster and class levels are both 1.

And so on.

There are ways to boost your caster level, like the trait you mentioned.


So which of the above domain spells is boosted by Beacon of Faith? Let's say I'm a 5th level Cleric.

Sczarni

If those are all domain spells for you, then all of them.

The trait wouldn't allow you to cast domain spells before you would normally be able to, obviously.


You have provided insufficient information. You have not indicated a domain and thus we cannot determine if any of those spells are part of your domain's spells.

So, lets select the Sun domain.
Sun's Blessing is a Domain power. However, it is not a spell-like ability with a caster level. It is a supernatural ability based on your cleric level. Thus, you cannot use Beacon of Faith to boost it.

Searing Light is a 3rd level Sun domain spell for you.
Lets say you have it memorized twice. Once as a Domain spell and once as a non-Domain spell.
When you use Searing Light out of a Domain slot you may boost it's caster level by 2 using Beacon of Faith.
When you use the non-domain Searing Light you may not boost it's caster level by 2 using Beacon of Faith.

Shield of Faith is a 1st level cleric spell. However, it is not in the Sun Domain and is not memorized as a Domain spell.
You may not use Beacon of Faith with Shield of Faith unless you take a domain that gives it to you as a Domain spell.

Cleric Level is not the same as Caster Level even if the number is the same.
For example: A character with a Cleric Level of 5 also has a Caster Level of 5 for the purposes of cleric spells and cleric spell-like abilities.

However, when an item or ability increases caster level that does not increase your cleric level.


No missing information, I can see which spells are in which domains. Thank you for your answer, Gauss.

Short Answer: Cleric Level is not boosted when Caster Level is


There was missing information. Your first question asked which of the following abilities and spells did Beacon of Faith apply to. In order to answer that we needed to know what your Domains were.

Otherwise the answer is 'whatever spells and spell-like abilities are in your Domain'.


Gauss wrote:

There was missing information. Your first question asked which of the following abilities and spells did Beacon of Faith apply to. In order to answer that we needed to know what your Domains were.

Otherwise the answer is 'whatever spells and spell-like abilities are in your Domain'.

The question was about the Cleric class and domains, not about what domains belong to me. But I'm confused by your line:

Otherwise the answer is 'whatever spells and spell-like abilities are in your Domain'.

So Sun's Blessing is a domain power and I would like to use Beacon of Faith on it? You'll have to restate your argument I'm not sure which side of the fence you're on.

Sczarni

It matters what domains belong to you for us to answer your original question of "which domain spells does the Beacon of Faith trait apply to?"


Junar, your very first question was: "So which domain spells does the Beacon of Faith trait apply to?".

The answer to that can only be 'what are your domain spells'?

What Domain spells it applies to are dependant upon what your domains are.

For spells:
Step 1: Determine your Domain
Step 2: Determine your Domain spells
Step 3: Do you have that spell memorized as a domain spell?
Result: Now you know which spells Beacon of Faith applies to.

For Domain powers:
Step 1: Determine your Domains
Step 2: Determine your Domain powers
Step 3: identify which of your Domain powers have a Caster Level (hint: the ones with caster levels are the ones that are Spell-Like abilities)
Result: Now you know which Domain powers Beacon of Faith applies to.

You posted two spells that could be domain spells but are not necessarily domain spells. For them to be Domain spells for you you have to have that domain and you have to memorize them as a domain spell.


I understand your confusion. This link should, I hope, help.

http://www.towson.edu/ows/pronouns.htm

I was never asking which of my spells it applied to. I even gave you three examples. Thanks for getting back to me though. This thread shouldn't need to continue as you answered the question several posts ago, right?


Junar, I am not confused. You asked in a Rules forum and I am giving you the rules answer. In order to properly answer your question you have to phrase it better.

The answer to your question is:

Searing Light: Yes and No. Yes, if it is a Domain spell for YOU and you have it memorized as a Domain spell.
No if it is not a Domain spell for YOU.

Shield of Faith: Yes and No. Yes, if it is a Domain spell for YOU and you have it memorized as a Domain spell.
No if it is not a Domain spell for YOU.

Sun's Blessing: No. It does not have a caster level because it is not a spell or spell-like ability.

As you can see, the answer for both spells you listed is both a yes and a no that is dependent upon the person using the spell.

Sczarni

^ this.

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