How many attacks per round?


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Liberty's Edge

6th level Half-Orc Barbarian with Lesser Beast Totem, Brawler, and Greater Brawler. How many attacks per round when he full attacks using his natural claws (raging), only taking a five-foot step?

-Vaz


....Two? Wait, maybe a bite, since you are half orc, so three? Either way, you said you are only using your natural weapons right? Then it is only those two or three.

But this is not what you were thinking about, right? Sorry, but unarmed strikes are manufactured weapons, despite the fact that they can be affected by the same spells as natural weapons. You could, possibly get off some kicks while doing your claws, but the claws would become secondary (-5 to hit, and half strength and power attack bonuses...which is all a barbarian offers for extra damage). Overall, it would be barely even worth using the claws if you used your kicks too.

Also, besides the rule that all natural attacks become secondary when mixed with manufactured attack, they do not mix that much at all. There is feral combat training, which would allow you to use your unarmed strike like a monk weapon in a flurry, but nothing about that feat says anything about using them for regular TWF. So unless you are a monk, those claws will only ever give you one attack each (excluding haste of course).


2 main attacks (brawler and lvl 6), one offhand attack (gr. brawler) and two claws (lesser beast totem with -5 for sec. attacks)

The main and offhand attacks are kicks, elbows etc .. everything that is not a claw.

-2/-2/-7/-7/-7

main/off/main/claw/claw

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16

With Greater Brawler, you effectively have TWF with unarmed strikes, so that's 3 unarmed strikes. Plus the 3 natural attacks makes 6 attacks total, although I agree with lemeres that the natural attacks would become secondary, so would take a -5.

Liberty's Edge

Per Lesser Beast Totem, the two claw attacks are made at full BAB and are considered primary attacks.

Without Brawler, which grants Improved Unarmed Attack Feat he would be considered unarmed and his claw attacks would provoke attack of opportunity?

IF so, then Greater Brawler, which grants TWF for unarmed attacks would apply to his claws? It reasons that IF his claws would provoke attacks of opportunity then they are considered unarmed and subject to penalties and benefits alike except where otherwise stated.

This is an NPC, which I know I can float past the rules but I'm curious as to the rules and the spirit thereof.

-Vaz

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16

Claws are primary natural attacks, but any time you attack with other weapons in the same turn (such as unarmed strikes), ALL natural attacks become secondary. However he could take the Multiattack feat to reduce that -5 penalty to a -2.

Natural weapons and Improved Unarmed Strikes count as weapons; attacking with them doesn't provoke. Natural weapons do not count as unarmed strikes.


Vaziir Jivaan wrote:

Per Lesser Beast Totem, the two claw attacks are made at full BAB and are considered primary attacks.

Without Brawler, which grants Improved Unarmed Attack Feat he would be considered unarmed and his claw attacks would provoke attack of opportunity?

IF so, then Greater Brawler, which grants TWF for unarmed attacks would apply to his claws? It reasons that IF his claws would provoke attacks of opportunity then they are considered unarmed and subject to penalties and benefits alike except where otherwise stated.

This is an NPC, which I know I can float past the rules but I'm curious as to the rules and the spirit thereof.

-Vaz

Lesser beast totem isn't making an exception to rules by saying that, it is only letting the player know how claws normally work. A clarification, if you will.

Then, the rules that natural weapons become secondary when using manufactured weapons too overrides it.


RainyDayNinja wrote:
Claws are primary natural attacks, but any time you attack with other weapons in the same turn (such as unarmed strikes), ALL natural attacks become secondary. However he could take the Multiattack feat to reduce that -5 penalty to a -2.

Yep. But I want to reiterate: they will still only do half strength and power attack damage. No getting around that. And, since you lack things like sneak attack, favored enemy, or the like (that deal damage with each hit that qualifies), you get little from secondary attacks.

Liberty's Edge

Thanks all. Appreciate the input greatly!

-Vaz

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