Retraining into a hybrid class from an alternate class

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What's the cost of retraining a class level from a hybrid's alternate class into a hybrid class?

For example, a barbarian level into a bloodrager level?

Does it count as a retraining synergy, ie. 5 prestige per level instead of 7 (and the gold cost that goes with it)?

[Under A Bleeding Sun]

Based off the way I read retraining, I would say yes.

[LazarX]

The example doesn't work if the barbarian also has a level of sorcerer.

[Shivok]

This is not spelled out outright but we can infer that if a hybrid class notes one of the two base classes that form the hybrid, I would allow the 5pp per level.

That being said we are gamers and the RAW/RAI will rear its ugly head, So I'm sure this will get spelled out soon once the DEC17 date passes and we get the final playtest versions of the hybrid classes.

[Michael Brock]

I am going to go ahead and advise if a hybrid class notes one of the two base classes that form the hybrid, it is 5pp per level. That is most likely how it will be ruled anyway after Dec 17 so no need to drag that out.

[Tony Lindman]

Also, just to make sure everyone reading is aware: You cannot have levels in both a base class and a hybrid based on that class. Thus, if you want to retrain a barbarian level into bloodrager, you just retrain *all* of your barbarian levels into bloodrager.

[Bbauzh ap Aghauzh]

Tony Lindman wrote:

Also, just to make sure everyone reading is aware: You cannot have levels in both a base class and a hybrid based on that class. Thus, if you want to retrain a barbarian level into bloodrager, you just retrain *all* of your barbarian levels into bloodrager.

And if you have levels in Barbarian and Sorcerer, you must first train one of those classes to something else that is not Barbarian, Sorcerer, or Bloodrager, and then train the other into Bloodrager. If you still want full Bloodrager, then train the one you trained into something else into Bloodrager.

Technically, since you train one level at a time, the multiclass restriction would require you to train all but 1 level into something else, then train that one level into Bloodrager, then all the others. But this would be really prohibitive.

[kinevon]

Andrew Christian wrote:

Tony Lindman wrote:

Also, just to make sure everyone reading is aware: You cannot have levels in both a base class and a hybrid based on that class. Thus, if you want to retrain a barbarian level into bloodrager, you just retrain *all* of your barbarian levels into bloodrager.

And if you have levels in Barbarian and Sorcerer, you must first train one of those classes to something else that is not Barbarian, Sorcerer, or Bloodrager, and then train the other into Bloodrager. If you still want full Bloodrager, then train the one you trained into something else into Bloodrager.

Technically, since you train one level at a time, the multiclass restriction would require you to train all but 1 level into something else, then train that one level into Bloodrager, then all the others. But this would be really prohibitive.

Simpest solution, probably, if you have both base classes for one of the hybrid classes: Retrain one class into the other class, so all levels involved are a single class, then retrain all the levels into the hybrid at once.

[RainyDayNinja]

kinevon wrote:

Andrew Christian wrote:

Tony Lindman wrote:

Also, just to make sure everyone reading is aware: You cannot have levels in both a base class and a hybrid based on that class. Thus, if you want to retrain a barbarian level into bloodrager, you just retrain *all* of your barbarian levels into bloodrager.

And if you have levels in Barbarian and Sorcerer, you must first train one of those classes to something else that is not Barbarian, Sorcerer, or Bloodrager, and then train the other into Bloodrager. If you still want full Bloodrager, then train the one you trained into something else into Bloodrager.

Technically, since you train one level at a time, the multiclass restriction would require you to train all but 1 level into something else, then train that one level into Bloodrager, then all the others. But this would be really prohibitive.

Simpest solution, probably, if you have both base classes for one of the hybrid classes: Retrain one class into the other class, so all levels involved are a single class, then retrain all the levels into the hybrid at once.

I would think you could go ahead and train both classes to the hybrid at the same time. It seems silly to turn retraining into a Tower of Hanoi puzzle; I say as long as you don't actually play the character with the hybrid and original levels together it'll be fine.

[godsDMit]

RainyDayNinja wrote:

kinevon wrote:

Andrew Christian wrote:

Tony Lindman wrote:

Also, just to make sure everyone reading is aware: You cannot have levels in both a base class and a hybrid based on that class. Thus, if you want to retrain a barbarian level into bloodrager, you just retrain *all* of your barbarian levels into bloodrager.

And if you have levels in Barbarian and Sorcerer, you must first train one of those classes to something else that is not Barbarian, Sorcerer, or Bloodrager, and then train the other into Bloodrager. If you still want full Bloodrager, then train the one you trained into something else into Bloodrager.

Technically, since you train one level at a time, the multiclass restriction would require you to train all but 1 level into something else, then train that one level into Bloodrager, then all the others. But this would be really prohibitive.

Simpest solution, probably, if you have both base classes for one of the hybrid classes: Retrain one class into the other class, so all levels involved are a single class, then retrain all the levels into the hybrid at once.

I would think you could go ahead and train both classes to the hybrid at the same time. It seems silly to turn retraining into a Tower of Hanoi puzzle; I say as long as you don't actually play the character with the hybrid and original levels together it'll be fine.

+1

I think this is what Andrew was suggesting should be how its handled, hence the 'Technically' at the start of his sentence.

[tuscaloosasteve]

Parent Classes: Each one of the following classes lists two
classes that it draws upon to form the basis of its theme.
While a character can multiclass with these parent classes,
this usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities
don’t stack unless specified. If a class feature allows the
character to make a one-time choice (such as a bloodline),
that choice must match similar choices made by the parent
classes and vice-versa (such as selecting the same bloodline).

Page 8. Advanced Class Guide.

So you CAN multiclass... which opens some epic options for several of my PCs