Half-Elf Blood God Disciple?

[Durngrun Stonebreaker]

Wanted to see if I had this right...

Half-Elves count as Human, Humans can take Racial Heritage, Racial Heritage allows racial archetypes. This should be correct, I hope.

Would I need Racial Heritage (Half-Orc), or could I take Racial Heritage (Orc) and count as Elf, Human, and Orc and thus qualify for Half-Elf and Half-Orc?

I know there is some dispute and FAQs and what-not, and my DM would probably allow it regardless, just wanted to see if I was on the right track.

(Side note: I would also be interested in any other Summoner archetypes that give up their Summon Monster SLA.)

[Archaeik]

Advancing Your Character wrote:

A character advances in level as soon as he earns enough experience points to do so—typically, this occurs at the end of a game session, when your GM hands out that session's experience point awards.

This makes your "trick" exceptionally tight.

Essentially, absolute strictest RAW, you don't gain your feat until you actually take a level in a class.

Since Blood God swaps things out at 1st level, you would have to retrain into the archetype per the Ultimate Campaign rules.

The only other snag I see is that RAW, I don't believe you can select a half breed for Racial Heritage,(the Ranger favored enemy list only has pure races, it stands to reason that pattern holds here too), which would prevent you from gaining access to the archetype on the principle that you aren't automatically a "half-orc" just because you qualify as both "human" and "orc". (But yes, RH otherwise would let you qualify for archetypes)

So... to sum up, this relies on being able to fudge gaining your feat at the same time as your first archetype level (or retraining into it), and fudging the humanoid subtypes to specifically include half breeds.

Also, Blood God seems to be the only archetype that gives up the SLAs completely.

[Kazaan]

You don't even need to take RH(Half-Orc); the Orc subtype in combination with the Human subtype you already have will qualify you for any rules elements calling for having both Human and Orc subtypes (which is what the prerequisite of H-Orc translates to, mechanically speaking). So, as a Half-Elf with RH(Orc), you have 3 subtypes and qualify for any combinations thereof (in the case of a hypothetical rules element requiring you to be an elf/orc hybrid). Regarding the other issue, the feat comes after you take the class level so you cannot qualify for the archetype at first level. You'd have to take your first level in some other class with Racial Heritage, then take Summoner with the BGD archetype at 2nd level. Other methods are "round-about" at best and rely on optional rules like Young characters and retraining. Taking Summoner after first level is the way that is guaranteed regardless of optional rules.

[Durngrun Stonebreaker]

Huh?
Is the level before the feat really that big of a deal? I'm not sure we've ever put any thought into it.
Anyways, thank you both. I'll talk to my DM and see what he decides.

[Kazaan]

It's the same principal as qualifying for a PrC. If it requires, say, 5 ranks of Knowledge(Arcana), you must be lvl 5 to take the 5 ranks, but you've already chosen your class level before you assign your skill points so you must take the 5 skill ranks at lvl 5, then take the first level of the PrC at lvl 6.

[Justin Sluder]

Blood God Disciple is only most commonly found amongst half-orcs. Anyone CAN be a blood god disciple, if your GM allows it.

Note: I'm currently playing a CG tengu summoner (blood god disciple, synthesist). It makes for some...interesting roleplaying. ;)

[dwayne germaine]

this is a question that only your DM can answer