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Hello all.
Skulking Slayers have the ability underhanded maneuvers.
Underhanded Maneuvers (Ex): At 1st level, when she could normally make a sneak attack, a slayer may instead make a dirty trick or steal combat maneuver with a bonus on her roll. This bonus is equal to her number of sneak attack dice for a dirty trick combat maneuver, or 1-1/2 × her number of sneak attack dice for a steal combat maneuver. This ability replaces trapfinding.
So, 4 questions.
1.)Does this allow a skulking slayer to get their normal attack and the dirty trick?
2.)If not, would a skulking slayer be allowed to full attack with dirty trick as the first attack and 2nd attack be a normal attack or dirty trick?
3.)If a skulking slayer had bludgeoner, sap adept, and sap master feats, would the double dice from sap master increase the attack bonus?
4.)Would 3 work if the enemy was immune to nonlethal damage?
My suspicions would be
1.)Maybe, because you can't really get sneak attack on a combat maneuver that doesn't do damage, but then again, it doesn't say that you would.
2.)Yes, it says whenever you would get it, which would include iteriative attacks.
3.)Yes, as you roll more dice.
4.)RAW yes, but RAI probably no because although you aren't doing damage, nonlethal immunity is supposed to mean that nonlethal damage does NOTHING.
Hello all.
Skulking Slayers have the ability underhanded maneuvers.
Underhanded Maneuvers (Ex): At 1st level, when she could normally make a sneak attack, a slayer may instead make a dirty trick or steal combat maneuver with a bonus on her roll. This bonus is equal to her number of sneak attack dice for a dirty trick combat maneuver, or 1-1/2 × her number of sneak attack dice for a steal combat maneuver. This ability replaces trapfinding.So, 4 questions.
1.)Does this allow a skulking slayer to get their normal attack and the dirty trick?
Its unclear. The intention seems to essentially be that you gain this bonus on certain combat maneuver attempts against opponents who are flanked, flat-footed, or otherwise denied their Dexterity bonus to AC. Looking at precedent, the ability to make a free maneuver alongside an attack simply by dropping sneak attack dice is too powerful; compare underhanded maneuvers to the Quick Dirty Trick or the Quick Steal feats, which require Combat Expertise, the 'Improved Maneuver' feat, and a Base Attack Bonus of +6 to qualify for, and those feats are arguably less powerful then what you are suggesting this 1st level rogue ability should be capable of.
2.)If not, would a skulking slayer be allowed to full attack with dirty trick as the first attack and 2nd attack be a normal attack or dirty trick?
Not without Quick Dirty Trick or Quick Steal. Performing either combat maneuver is a standard action, which means you can't make a full attack with the maneuver unless you have those feats.
3.)If a skulking slayer had bludgeoner, sap adept, and sap master feats, would the double dice from sap master increase the attack bonus?
No. Sap Master does not double the number of dice you sneak attack feature possesses, it merely allows you to roll them twice. Even said, you are not dealing nonlethal damage with a bludgeoning weapon when you attempt a steal or dirty tricks combat maneuver regardless of what the feat says, so it can't apply.
4.)Would 3 work if the enemy was immune to nonlethal damage?
No. See my response to #3.
Hello all.
Skulking Slayers have the ability underhanded maneuvers.
Underhanded Maneuvers (Ex): At 1st level, when she could normally make a sneak attack, a slayer may instead make a dirty trick or steal combat maneuver with a bonus on her roll. This bonus is equal to her number of sneak attack dice for a dirty trick combat maneuver, or 1-1/2 × her number of sneak attack dice for a steal combat maneuver. This ability replaces trapfinding.So, 4 questions.
1.)Does this allow a skulking slayer to get their normal attack and the dirty trick?
IMO, no. The text uses the word "instead", so you get either the sneak attack OR the maneuver.
2.)If not, would a skulking slayer be allowed to full attack with dirty trick as the first attack and 2nd attack be a normal attack or dirty trick?
I'd say heck yes. And this is where the fun starts. Come out of hide, dirty trick to blind, and sneak away..
The ability says when you could normally sneak attack, you can steal or dirty trick instead. Feat tops maneuver rule, so you can use the maneuver whenever you could use the sneak, including in a full attack, I think!3.)If a skulking slayer had bludgeoner, sap adept, and sap master feats, would the double dice from sap master increase the attack bonus?
I don't know, that's a good question. If those feats give you double dice, the you would have a strong case to argue they should.
EDIT: fella above says you don't get double dice, you just roll them twice. So that'd be a no then I reckon.
4.)Would 3 work if the enemy was immune to nonlethal damage?
Again, IMO, no.