The Genie Styles and Elemental Fist(mythic)


Rules Questions


So I have a question regarding the interaction of these feats. I just reached 8th level monk(master of many styles and Qingong monk) and am also 3rd tier mythic champion with the Elemental Fist(mythic) feat. This is going to get complicated, and I may simply be wrong in several of my assumptions but that's why I'm here! :)

The problem I'm running into is this. If I expend a point of mythic power, it makes the style affect my elemental damage for the entire round. So, if I'm using, say, Efreeti style and I also use Amazing Initiative to use the Qinggong monk ability Scorching Ray or Dragon's Breath(Amazing Initiative precludes using the action for casting a spell, but these are spell-like abilities) to do fire damage, would I add my wisdom to the damage from these abilities?

Normally, it's obvious that it wouldn't since Elemental Fist only applies to that one attack but since the mythic version of the power causes it to count until the beginning of the next turn it seems as if it should count.

What do you say, oh gurus of Pathfinder rules?!


Efreeti Style wrote:
While using this style and Elemental Fist to deal fire damage, you gain a bonus on fire damage rolls equal to your Wisdom bonus.
Elemental Fist (Mythic) wrote:
You can expend one use of mythic power as an immediate action to add the extra damage from your Elemental Fist to all of the unarmed strikes you make until the beginning of your next turn. This counts as only one use of Elemental Fist, regardless of the number of attacks that you make in this fashion.

For Efreeti Style, you gain a bonus on fire damage rolls while using the style and Elemental Fist to deal fire damage. Elemental Fist (mythic) lets you apply Elemental Fist damage to all unarmed strikes for that round. Unfortunately, nowhere does it say that Elemental Fist applies to anything but unarmed strikes. Since you only get the extra damage for actually using Elemental Fist, and you only use Elemental Fist when making an unarmed strike, scorching ray and dragon's breath appear to be out. You aren't actually using Elemental Fist the entire round--rather, you're given the ability to use it freely on all unarmed strikes, and that ability lasts for the rest of the round.


Hang on a sec, It also doesnt ever say it only applies to unarmed strikes. In fact, other than the feat title, there is nothing that even suggests you must use Elemental Fist with an unuarmed strike.

However, I do agree with blahpers in part, it does imply you only gain the bonus damage when using your Elemental Fist attack. This was the answer I got when I asked about a similar topic before MA came out. I believe my specific inquiry was if you had an AoMF for flaming, if you would add your WIS bonus to the flaming die (was told no), or if you had Quicken SLA -Scorching Ray, if you would add your wis bonus there too (also told no).


Hmmm. That's different from the Ultimate Combat version of Efreeti style. They must have changed it to close just such a loophole.

They should have simply said, 'you gain a bonus to Elemental Fist damage rolls equal to your Wisdom bonus.' or some such. Paizo should know how important wording is in such cases by now. :)


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Hang on a sec, It also doesnt ever say it only applies to unarmed strikes. In fact, other than the feat title, there is nothing that even suggests you must use Elemental Fist with an unuarmed strike.

That's fair. The text for Elemental Fist has a bug in it:

PRD wrote:

Elemental Fist (Combat)

You empower your strike with elemental energy

Prerequisites: Con 13, Wis 13, Improved Unarmed Strike, base attack bonus +8.

Benefit: When you use Elemental Strike pick one of the following energy types: acid, cold, electricity, or fire. On a successful hit, the attack deals damage normally plus 1d6 points of damage of the chosen type. You must declare that you are using this feat before you make your attack roll (thus a failed attack roll ruins the attempt). You may attempt an elemental fist attack once per day for every four levels you have attained (see Special), and no more than once per round.

Special: A monk of the four winds receives Elemental Fist as a bonus feat at 1st level, even if he does not meet the prerequisites. A monk may attempt an Elemental Fist attack a number of times per day equal to his monk level, plus one more time per day for every four levels he has in classes other than monk.

Now that's odd. What is "Elemental Strike"? Did they mean "Elemental Fist"? I suspect that this is a holdover from copy-pasting from the 3.5 feat Elemental Strike (check Google).

It's true, as worded it might work with any attack--unarmed strike, melee weapon, ranged weapon, scorching ray, bestow curse, you name it.

If you consult the feat table, you get this as a summary:

PRD wrote:
Elemental Fist* Con 13, Wis 13, Improved Unarmed Strike, base attack bonus +8 Deal 1d6 energy damage with an unarmed strike

The summaries are often shortened and missing in details, but they aren't usually flat-out wrong. I'm inclined to think that the text got overlooked, but I can't really argue what the RAW says.

If you go with Elemental Fist working with any attack, then yes, I suppose Efreeti Style would boost all fire damage from those attacks. Elemental Fist itself deserves a separate FAQ. I think someone already started one, so off to the search engine I go.


Wow. I never thought of it that way. I'm definitely interested in the results of your search. I think I'll try one myself.

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