Sorry for the probably obvious question, but does alter self still give natural attacks in pathfinder and as such - what would be good forms giving a natural attack other than claw/slam/wing?
Yes.
Lizardfolk is an option that would grant two claws, and a Bite.
The Trogldyte too.
http://paizo.com/PRD/monsters/troglodyte.html
Could you use alter self to turn into a variety of some race like a tengu with claws and bite? Or only the base race?
Umbranus wrote: Could you use alter self to turn into a variety of some race like a tengu with claws and bite? Or only the base race? This would be up to the GM, since the rules are silent on it. I'd allow it.
blackbloodtroll wrote: Yes.
Lizardfolk is an option that would grant two claws, and a Bite.
Actually lizardfolk only grants you a bite and a single claw attack. Most likely a type but as written it's just 1 claw.
Umbranus wrote: Could you use alter self to turn into a variety of some race like a tengu with claws and bite? Or only the base race? I don't believe so, no. Polymorph effects always transform you into a standard member of the race, without any racial options or anything like that. No templates, either.
d20PFSRD wrote: Unless otherwise noted, polymorph spells cannot be used to change into specific individuals. Although many of the fine details can be controlled, your appearance is always that of a generic member of that creature's type. Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature.
Mathwei ap Niall wrote: blackbloodtroll wrote: Yes.
Lizardfolk is an option that would grant two claws, and a Bite.
Actually lizardfolk only grants you a bite and a single claw attack. Most likely a type but as written it's just 1 claw.
That's because he has a Morningstar in the other hand, and therefore cant use it as a claw.
Why they didn't add a shield bash then put: "or 2 Claws" like with other creatures (devils and demons for example) I don't know.
SteelDraco wrote: Umbranus wrote: Could you use alter self to turn into a variety of some race like a tengu with claws and bite? Or only the base race? I don't believe so, no. Polymorph effects always transform you into a standard member of the race, without any racial options or anything like that. No templates, either.
d20PFSRD wrote: Unless otherwise noted, polymorph spells cannot be used to change into specific individuals. Although many of the fine details can be controlled, your appearance is always that of a generic member of that creature's type. Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature. I would say yes. Your appearance is generic. Therefore, you would have the generic appearance of an "Artic Elf" for instance.
That polymorph language just lets you know that you cannot turn into the Artic Elf called "Bob Marley". You can't use polymorph spells to effectively clone the look of a specific elf. Of course, you would not be doing that so you are okay.
Oracle of Sunder wrote: Mathwei ap Niall wrote: blackbloodtroll wrote: Yes.
Lizardfolk is an option that would grant two claws, and a Bite.
Actually lizardfolk only grants you a bite and a single claw attack. Most likely a type but as written it's just 1 claw.
That's because he has a Morningstar in the other hand, and therefore cant use it as a claw.
Why they didn't add a shield bash then put: "or 2 Claws" like with other creatures (devils and demons for example) I don't know. You'd think that is true but the beastiary entry has 2 listings, 1 with the morningstar and one without and both of them on the list a single claw attack. The default lizardfolk has 1 claw.
Driver 325 yards wrote: SteelDraco wrote: Umbranus wrote: Could you use alter self to turn into a variety of some race like a tengu with claws and bite? Or only the base race? I don't believe so, no. Polymorph effects always transform you into a standard member of the race, without any racial options or anything like that. No templates, either.
d20PFSRD wrote: Unless otherwise noted, polymorph spells cannot be used to change into specific individuals. Although many of the fine details can be controlled, your appearance is always that of a generic member of that creature's type. Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature. I would say yes. Your appearance is generic. Therefore, you would have the generic appearance of an "Artic Elf" for instance.
That polymorph language just lets you know that you cannot turn into the Artic Elf called "Bob Marley". You can't use polymorph spells to effectively clone the look of a specific elf. Of course, you would not be doing that so you are okay. Just realized that there are no alternative tengu races like there are for Elves. There are just alternative class racial features. So, turning into a tengu with claws is iffy, but not a question that has been FAQ'd.
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