can i conjure poison with a minor creation spell?
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I don't believe that falls within the intent of poisons. While poisons are in fact non living (mostly toxic chemicals), I'm not sure they qualify for plant matter.
Here the reasons why:
Most poisons in pathfinder come from animals, not plants.
In the case of a poison that comes from a plant, the poison is put through a refinement process to create/purify the chemical. After that process, it would not be considered plant matter. If this process is not done, your poison would not be in a high enough concentration to be applied to a weapon and deal as much damage as pathfinder injury or touch poisons do.
If you convinced someone to eat your created poisonous dead plant, that would be poisonous. If you put said plant matter through an extraction process, you'd get poisons. But it would be a corner case that would have to be justified with fluff from the book to where a straight up poison could be conjured using minor creation.
ok,i assume i can conjure some othur and then burn it
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RAW, yes. I don't think they intended minor creation to be used for poisons though, and it might be shot down by your GM (So you burnt othur, but did you do the correct procedure to burn the othur in order to concentrate the fumes to a lethal concentration?)
As a friendly side note, try using proper punctuation. It goes a long way to help people understand you and take you seriously.
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The intent of the Creation spells is to make an item out of the matter you can create (plant w/minor, mineral w/greater) along the lines of a chair, or a door or a bridge, etc, hence the need for a crafting check if you create a complex item. It also refers to an "object" created, and while one could argue (and I am certain many on these forums would) that that could mean just a blob of matter, the intent seems clear that the spell creates an item, not just a mass of raw material.
Ok, thanks.
the intent seems clear that the spell creates an item, not just a mass of raw material.
An item like a poisoned wooden stake or gourd with poison in it? ;)
Sure, you can make the stake or maybe even the gourd... and then you can supply the poison.
You could make items that incorporate the poison in them. The arsenic-laced candles from Discworld come to mind. Although arsenic is a mineral, you could use belladonna, othur (whatever it is) or another plant-based poison.
Other examples would include a stake/ball of bloodroot or terinav root that you could grind up to dust.
I would rule that it can make any plant-based poison whose save DC is lower than 16 (the default save DC of a 4th level spell).
This includes:
A rule of thumb when it comes to balanced, creative and alternative spell use is:
1 - The save DC must be equal to or lower than for this spell level
2 - The spell effect can be no better than that of a comparable lower level spell
This means that the results of Minor Creation can't possibly do more than 1d6/level damage maximum 10d6 (a la fireball or lightning bolt, both 3rd level spells) and save DC is lower than 16 (the default save DC of a 4th level spell).
Let's say you want to use Minor Creation to make a thorn-covered ball of hardwood, which you then roll off a cliff onto a foe. No matter how much you want to argue how deadly the setup is, the Reflex DC would at most be that of a 4th level spell (or lower) and the damage would not be greater than 1d6/level (max 10d6). It would be Reflex negates. Such a use for a spell would be balanced.