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No, the folks are sent home and don´t get any money for that time. Gotta pay some bills? Too bad, thats what you get for working for the gov´t - that what some right-wing nuts would say, I guess.
Oh, and: its not the Government that rolled a 1 - its the politicians, who did not want to find a solution to this problem and try to blackmail everybody else into giving in to their position. The words I find for that kind of political maneuver are not fit for a public messageboard.
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I am a contractor at a government lab. We are still open, however, it is uncertain whether or not we will be during the duration of the shutdown - it depends on how long it is shut down. I still get paid even if I am told not to come to work (one of the few perks of being a contractor vs. government employee). I have been told that I am to work at home but I am not allowed to use my personal computer (security reasons) even though 99% of my work involves a computer. Brilliant.
Link for those of us not in the know?
So this is what my army buddy was going on about last night. This does not bode well for him getting his paperwork all in order for coming back stateside. =(
So this is what my army buddy was going on about last night. This does not bode well for him getting his paperwork all in order for coming back stateside. =(
Yes, from what I´ve read, it might be that paperwork of that kind might be delayed until the government can work again. Talk about taking the people hostage.
My sister was working 2 jobs, and lost both of them yesterday, due to this.
My sister was working 2 jobs, and lost both of them yesterday, due to this.
Curious how that worked out considering the shutdown did not happen till today( at midnight last night).
She had a job at a security firm hired by the gov't to guard a national guard hangar. They were informed yesterday their contract was ended due to the impending shutdown.
She also works as a nurse at a VA retirement home. They were informed they would receive no pay past midnight.
She called me yesterday around 4 pm CST.
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I am a contractor at a government lab. We are still open, however, it is uncertain whether or not we will be during the duration of the shutdown - it depends on how long it is shut down. I still get paid even if I am told not to come to work (one of the few perks of being a contractor vs. government employee). I have been told that I am to work at home but I am not allowed to use my personal computer (security reasons) even though 99% of my work involves a computer. Brilliant.
I'm also a contractor in a government lab and I'm at work today. They told us yesterday to keep right on coming in because we still have FY13 money that we can tap.
However, I don't know what kind of contracting deal you have, but I know that if we do get sent home, there is no pay or working from home for me. In fact, I work with a lot of contractors from a lot of different companies (large and small) and I don't know any of them that get paid for not working. The government employees have always gotten back pay for shutdowns; contractors, not so much. (Your contract must be set up differently than the ones I'm used to dealing with.)
-Skeld
I'm helping run a 16-hour environmental test today. Wish the EPA were shut down...
She had a job at a security firm hired by the gov't to guard a national guard hangar. They were informed yesterday their contract was ended due to the impending shutdown.
She also works as a nurse at a VA retirement home. They were informed they would receive no pay past midnight.
She called me yesterday around 4 pm CST.
Well then she's still employed as a VA nurse, albeit with no pay. Silver linings man!
I was wondering when this thread would pop up...
Yes, it is a fiasco. But if they can't get it together, the real pain comes in two weeks when we hit the debt ceiling.
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Hrm, this happened at a state level a year or two back where I live. If memory serves, a large beer company realized it had some kind of clerical error involved in some kind of licensing such that they couldn't sell beer in the state until they got it fixed, which couldn't happen during the shutdown. A new budget was approved and the government working again within 24 hours.
I'm sure there's some kind of takeaway there that could be applied on the federal level, right?
I only just noticed this when I tried to follow a link to the US Copyright Office and ended up at http://www.copyright.gov/eco/notice_special.html
Guess I need to tear myself away from coding and writing and actually go watch the news, or something...
I'm helping run a 16-hour environmental test today. Wish the EPA were shut down...
I read that some Superfund stuff is closing down. We work-studiers are still getting paid AFAIK, for now.
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I'm helping run a 16-hour environmental test today. Wish the EPA were shut down...
Annoying as it is, its better than the rivers being back on fire.
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What do I care about rivers? I get seasick, and I hate the taste of fish. I say good riddance!
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I am a contractor at a government lab. We are still open, however, it is uncertain whether or not we will be during the duration of the shutdown - it depends on how long it is shut down. I still get paid even if I am told not to come to work (one of the few perks of being a contractor vs. government employee). I have been told that I am to work at home but I am not allowed to use my personal computer (security reasons) even though 99% of my work involves a computer. Brilliant.I'm also a contractor in a government lab and I'm at work today. They told us yesterday to keep right on coming in because we still have FY13 money that we can tap.
However, I don't know what kind of contracting deal you have, but I know that if we do get sent home, there is no pay or working from home for me. In fact, I work with a lot of contractors from a lot of different companies (large and small) and I don't know any of them that get paid for not working. The government employees have always gotten back pay for shutdowns; contractors, not so much. (Your contract must be set up differently than the ones I'm used to dealing with.)
-Skeld
Yes I guess it depends on what kind of contractor you are. I am a postdoctoral researcher so things are definitely different for me.
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I do think this is necessary.
I hope this means lessening the republicans ability to force the democrats into the Golden mean fallacy.
How this works.
The democrats want to spend 100,000 dollars on a new plane and 300,000 on welfare
The republicans want to spend 300,000 on a new plane and 100,000 on welfare.
Normally this would result in 200,000 being spent on each (or 300,000 being spent on each) just to get a budget through as the legislators compromise with each other.
But what the republicans in the house do is stop any bill from coming to a vote unless a majority OF REPUBLICANS want it, and then present that as the compromise bill. So the republicans starting bid becomes
500,000 for the airplane, 0 for the poor, and we'll grind the poor into dog food.
So far the democrats have been falling for it, winding up with 400,000 for the airplane, 50,000 for the poor, and only HALF of them ground up into dog food. The right has been giving far too much legitimacy to their crazy because it works. We need to stop rewarding being the bigger twit.
I work for one of the Social Security Disability claim processing offices. I'm a state employee paid through federal funds. I'm still at work, though we have limitations regarding what claims we are allowed to process.
-Aaron
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No, the folks are sent home and don´t get any money for that time. Gotta pay some bills? Too bad, thats what you get for working for the gov´t - that what some right-wing nuts would say, I guess.
And what the left-wing nuts would say as well.
I am not sure I follow this whole "both parties are to blame" rhetoric. The PPACA was enacted by congress after much compromise from both parties. The current spending bill has nothing to do with the PPACA other than the fact that some conservatives have used it as a hostage to defund the PPACA.
A fellow grad student left on a plane from New Zealand to visit collections at the Smithsonian for 3 weeks before the big vert paleo conferences. The Smithsonian has one of the best collections of marine mammal material in the world, and is crucial for his dissertation research.
Smithsonian is shut down now, and so he is going to be left to try to rearrange his trip and find suitable material elsewhere.
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Don't the politicians know that they are risking that people actually notice they don't need the government that much?
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A fellow grad student left on a plane from New Zealand to visit collections at the Smithsonian for 3 weeks before the big vert paleo conferences. The Smithsonian has one of the best collections of marine mammal material in the world, and is crucial for his dissertation research.
Smithsonian is shut down now, and so he is going to be left to try to rearrange his trip and find suitable material elsewhere.
Damn that sucks.
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Don't the politicians know that they are risking that people actually notice they don't need the government that much?
This might be true for a few days weeks or even months, but wait til Jan 1. And remember that while our servicemen work for no pay, our congress is paid for no work.
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...maybe they're Taking 20...
No, dealing with the tea party always counts as being threatened.
Don't the politicians know that they are risking that people actually notice they don't need the government that much?
I hope that people some day notice that they don´t need these politicians all that much.
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...maybe they're Taking 20...No, dealing with the tea party always counts as being threatened.
Remember, a spell ready to go counts as being armed. I guess this is either Evards Blackmail or Touch of Idiocy.
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It looks to me like the responsibility for the failure to reach a solution fell on both parties.
It only appears that way because of the fallacy I noted above.
Starting your bid by putting 5,000 kittens in a blender, and then moving it down to 2,000 kittens in a blender when the other person says no is not a compromise.
Obamacare is ALREADY a compromise between Single payer, public option, Obamacare, and the free for all system.
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It looks to me like the responsibility for the failure to reach a solution fell on both parties.
With all due respect, it only looks that way if you aren't paying attention.
The Republican house tied funding the government to TOTALLY UNRELATED ACA demands. The blame for that lies squarely on them. For both parties to share the blame, the Democrats would have to be insisting on the repeal of the Bush tax cuts (or similar) before agreeing to fund the government.
One, and only one, party is choosing to hold funding the government hostage.
ACA is a component of funding. It cannot be considered totally unrelated to funding.
EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT DOES is "related" to funding...see my remark above about the Bush tax cuts.
Extortion, plain and simple. Thankfully, it is almost guaranteed to backfire.
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Wow. I live in the Netherlands and this would never happen around here. never.
You have some crappy politicians, and I thought ours were bad.
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EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT DOES is "related" to funding...see my remark above about the Bush tax cuts.The Republican house tied funding the government to TOTALLY UNRELATED ACA demands.These two statements are mutually contradictory
No, they aren't, because you omitted the implied "from that point of view" from the front of my incredulous response.
But whatever. If you truly believe both parties are equally to blame, nothing I say is going to open your eyes.
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I am not sure I follow this whole "both parties are to blame" rhetoric. The PPACA was enacted by congress after much compromise from both parties. The current spending bill has nothing to do with the PPACA other than the fact that some conservatives have used it as a hostage to defund the PPACA.No, the folks are sent home and don´t get any money for that time. Gotta pay some bills? Too bad, thats what you get for working for the gov´t - that what some right-wing nuts would say, I guess.
And what the left-wing nuts would say as well.
Friday, 9/20/13 - The House of Representatives passed a Continuing Resolution that would fully fund the government (including things that Republicans don't like) while at the same time defunding Obamacare.
Result: House Republicans compromised on spending that we'd like to see cut in exchange for defunding Obamacare.Friday, 9/27/13 - The Senate stripped the defunding language out of the House passed Continuing Resolution and sent it back to the House.
Result: Harry Reid and Senate Democrats refused to compromise.Saturday, 9/28/13 - The House of Representatives added two amendments to the Senate revised Continuing Resolution to delay Obamacare for one year (far from what we were originally willing to agree to) and repeal the medical device tax.
Result: House Republicans compromised away from defunding to delaying Obamacare for one year.Monday, 9/30/13 - The Senate stripped the two amendments from the House passed Continuing Resolution and sent it back to the House.
Result: Harry Reid and Senate Democrats refuse to compromise one inch on Obamacare.It looks to me like the responsibility for the failure to reach a solution fell on both parties.
But the PPACA was already enacted by both chambers of congress 3 years ago after heavy compromise from the left. There is a legislative process to challenge established laws - the Republicans have failed 41 times (I think?) to repeal the PPACA via this process. The next step would be to win future elections and to continue to challenge it.
The PPACA was not part of the spending bill. The spending bill is being used as a last attempt to stop the PPACA through unprecedented strategy based on extortion.