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In the future would it be possible for the developer to please have fewer level gaps in module sets such as these!
If a character comes into thornkeep at lvl 2 then there will be a gap after the The Dark Menagerie... if they start at lvl 1 its even more confusing.
Most gm's and players would much rather play from lvl 1-7 without the huge gaps in the story.
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Thornkeep: Pathfinder Society development has little to no control regarding what level ranges are represented in a such a promotional volume. As it is, providing one level of experience for a much shorter than average play time investment is extraordinarily generous.
Dragon's Demand: What you appear to be asking for sounds like the so-called "campaign mode," which allows one to play straight through without worrying about PFS-related transitional periods. 3–4 levels gained seemed about right for this module, compared to the time one would invest in a 32-page module or bundle of scenarios.
Once again, PFS development adapts these products for organized play; I do not design them directly.
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I think the issue that needs to be addressed is that this situation is similar to buying... a video game perhaps, and getting to a certain point in the story where you find out that you actually have to buy add-on content to be able to continue and this add-on content doesn't even have anything to do with the original story. This is, of course, a concern only in the context of PFS, where chronicle sheets matter.
I feel that including those level gaps is not only an unethical (in my opinion, considering the way these modules are marketed and the popularity of organized play) and unfair way of generating sales, but it breaks up the natural progression of a particular story line to pursue unrelated interests. This is especially true of players who might want to go through one of these scenarios in one sitting.
Again, this is in the context of PFS. With that said, I don't think "providing one level of experience for a much shorter than average play time investment is extraordinarily generous"... is as nearly as generous as the players who support PFS play and continue to purchase these products. We're your customers, and when I buy a module product for PFS play, I don't expect to have to stop players mid-game to run something else so that they can be legal.
We're all thankful for organized play and the money it makes developers, because you continue to put out great products that we all enjoy. I think that needed to be said as well. However, it's still infuriating to see these level gaps. You can make the argument that these modules are 'adapted' for 'society play' and the real product is the module itself, but I don't think that's true. Organized play is what makes money, so if we can fix the level gaps, that would be great. If not, it leaves a pretty bad taste my mouth. Just saying.
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Thornkeep has level gaps because it is a interconnected series of dungeon levels that the party if they were playing this as a home game would fill in with other adventures in between the levels.
The Dragons Demand offers home game play in which you level from 1-7 and can use the chronicles provided to level a separate PFS character.
Modules are NOT Society content, they are external adaptable content that is designed to be slotted into home games. This content has been sanctioned for play under PFS rules to allow more play opportunities for those players who are running short on things to play.
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Once again, PFS development adapts these products for organized play; I do not design them directly.
This is the biggest thing guys. Modules (and APs are in a similar boat) are NOT designed with PFS in mind. The fact that we get them as sanctioned content is 100% a bonus on top of scenarios. For example, if there was a module released in the future with mythic rules, it MAY NOT get sanctioned at all. The module needs to work for PFS.
Secondly, and specifically about Dragon's Demand, this is the FIRST module where we get more than one chronicle sheet. Every single module before it awarded one single sheet (even though there is enough XP in most of those modules to account for 2 levels worth). So what John has done for us is QUADRUPLE the amount of sheets we get from a module, from only TWICE as much content (32 to 64 pages).
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Is there somewhere that discusses how to apply the 4th chronicle for Dragon's Demand? My specific question would be, does it earn a character 3 xp and 4 pa for each of the fill tiers listed on that 4th chronicle?
Thanks folks.
There is probably a specific thread somewhere, but here is how it works:
First of all, all 4 chronicle sheets must be applied to the same character. Then and only then will the bonus sheet apply. Great.
After that, you apply the chronicle sheets in any order you want. this means you can apply the bonus sheet at 2nd level, 4th level or 6th level, wherever you decided to insert it. But only ONCE. Then you look at the little table and see how much gold you get for that tier where it finally applied at.
Depending on which character you apply it to, some of the chronicles may not apply immediately. For example:
Fresh level 1 - Apply chronicle sheet 1 (DING level 2), apply bonus chronicle sheet (DING level 3), apply 2nd chronicle sheet (DING level 4). Sadly, the final sheet is for level 5-7, so it cannot apply to that character yet. You level him up from here as normal, and when he becomes level 5, you get the final sheet for dragon's demand automagically.