Can you use a Paladins Smite Evil and a Hellnights Smite Chaos at the same time if you are Multiclassed Paladin/Hellnight?
So, you would activate one in 1st. round, move, activate the other in 2nd. round, att. a C/E enemy, and do the bonus dam. from both abilities.
And the att. bonus.
Cool. Thanks
I've only been adding the attack bonus once when stacking these. It's your straight charisma bonus, and ability bonuses don't stack with themselves last I checked.
"Ability" is not a type of bonus. The bonus from smite evil is untyped. I haven't checked Hellknight but I suspect it's the same. Unless the Hellknight's ability was smite evil, they should stack.
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I've only been adding the attack bonus once when stacking these. It's your straight charisma bonus, and ability bonuses don't stack with themselves last I checked.
Uh-oh.
You may be correct. I hadn't thought of that. There is much controversy revolving whether or not an ability modifier is a typed bonus. As an example, most people will tell you that Gunslingers can't get double their Dexterity bonus to damage rolls. Those same people might tell you that you can't double your bonus on attacks with two smites.
1. How would a gunslinger get double Dex on damage rolls?
2. Where us the rule that such bonuses are implicitly typed?
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The Hellknight is from the Inner Sea World Guide. It's not on the PRD. HERE is the d20pfsrd version. I haven't checked to make sure if it lines up with the version from my book.
Ah, the "they forgot to say pistol training replaced gun training" garbage. I'm playing a pistolero right now in a mythic game and I wouldn't stoop to that--not because it's too powerful, but because it's extremely clear the archetype is not supposed to have both abilities.
If there were a feat saying I can add Dex to damage for the firearm of my choice, I'd be extremely happy taking it for that additional damage per shot. But I'm not going to exploit an editor's bad day to get it.
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The only other argument (that I'm aware of) against doubling your ability modifier comes from Fury's Fall and Agile Maneuvers. I believe, somewhere, a developer chimed in and said you can't do that, and people quote him when arguing about the Pistolero. You might encounter that same logic regarding the Paladin/Hellknight.
Yeah, that was a JJ Special. I tend to take those with a grain of salt, but the argument makes sense as RAI even if it doesn't really have an explicit RAW backing.
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The only other argument (that I'm aware of) against doubling your ability modifier comes from Fury's Fall and Agile Maneuvers. I believe, somewhere, a developer chimed in and said you can't do that, and people quote him when arguing about the Pistolero. You might encounter that same logic regarding the Paladin/Hellknight.
If someone has a link to the developer post, I would love to see it.
And, to be honest, is it a Dex modifier, or an ability modifier, so that can you add both a Dex mod and Str mod to the same thing? They are both "ability modifiers", after all.