Greater Grapple and CMD


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I was having a discussion with someone lately and the fact Greater Grapple doesn't help your CMD at all in grapples was brought up. Here's the relevant bits.

The Raelis Azata gains +4 CMB but only +2 CMD. Has Improved and Greater Grapple.

Improved Grapple has the line: "You also receive a +2 bonus to your Combat Maneuver Defense whenever an opponent tries to grapple you."

This line is missing in Greater Grapple.

My question is: does this mean anything that gives a bonus in grapple checks not give a bonus to CMD like, oh say, Armbands of the brawler?

This makes CMD pretty hard to raise, and things like Boneless Leather and its +5 CMD very valuable.


Uhh cmd is pretty easy to raise just about everything that isn't an armor bonus raises it.


Yes, and thats fine, but when you're level 17 and trying to grapple a blue wyrm dragon with +43 CMB, you take a look around at whats available.

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Yes, anything that gives you a listed bonus to your CMB in general or to a specific maneuver doesn't raise your CMD up at all with some basic exceptions.

Your Strength Bonus (Dex for some creatures/feats/etc) for example affects both CMD and CMB.

Other then those few exceptions if you are getting a bonus to your CMB and it doesn't mention your defense specifically you don't get anything for your CMD.

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