Hey. I couldn't find this direct question asked before, so I figured I'd ask it here.
My question is this: Can you take an alternate racial trait that replaces another alternate racial trait?
Additionally, I'm not entirely sure about another thing. If you take the Fiendish Heritage feat, it allows you to roll for a 'variant ability'. It doesn't specify that it replaces the Tiefling's spell-like ability, so I was assuming that it was an additional ability granted by the feat in addition to having a different allocation of stats that all 'do' replace the existing attributes, skills modifiers, and spell-like ability.
Took the Fiendish Heritage trait of Demon-Spawn (Pitborn), but was thinking of taking Fiendish Maw instead of the Shatter Spell-like ability more for its cosmetic looks than its actual mechanics as I don't intend on using such natural attacks often at all.
Answer 1) No, you cannot have alternate class abilities that replace the same thing taken from archetypes in Pathfinder, but as always, consult the DM.
Answer 2) I was under the impression that the Fiendish Heritage feat no longer "existed" because in the book Blood of Fiends, a Tiefling can achieve the same heritages without burning a feat. When done this way, the spell like ability is replaced, but I believe that if you use the fiendish heritage feat it will not be.
Fiendish Heritage feat is no longer required.
if I may ask, where does it state that Fiendish Heritage is no longer required? I tried to look for this and couldn't find it. I wasn't sure if the Blood of Fiends just simply gave examples of what the Fiendish Heritage could choose from or something else. Then again, I was looking at d20pfsrd for a lot of this.
Either way, it's not that big a deal, I ended up taking the Fiendish Heritage feat anyways to have the option of rolling on the alternate trait list. Frankly, I would have preferred to take a different feat, but oh well. The books and site just were very non-specific on whether the feat is actually required or not. As far as I know, the Fiendish Heritage feat still replaces the alternate traits and stuff just as if you didn't take the feat.
You have wasted a feat.
Aasimar have the same option, and they too, require no feat.
You are like a Human, with a "I am also Chelaxian Human" feat.
It's not needed.
Blood of Fiends p. 18 wrote: The abilities presented here replace a tiefling’s spell-like ability racial trait. No mention of the old feat.
The old feat is from the first part of the Council of Thieves AP, The Bastards of Erebus.
This is a 3.5 Adventure Path.
Blood of Fiends is Pathfinder, not 3.5, and has no reference to any feat requirement to choose a different heritage.
You need a houserule, to make the feat a requirement.
Jesse VanSpyker-Maillet wrote: if I may ask, where does it state that Fiendish Heritage is no longer required? I had the same question, found no explicit answer, but plenty of implicit ones from Paizo. Eventually found my way to the list of PFS legal materials on this website (not going to shovel through the site just to find it). This serves us well here, since PFS demonstrates Paizo's general intent on RAW after you remove things they did for fair play in the society system such as removing crafting.
Basically, the bloodlines from the Blood of Fiends are PFS legal, but the feat from Bastards from Erebus is not.
Since Aasimar also have bloodlines, but no feat, one can only assume that one is not required and the original feat was written out since it was generally a bad idea since it was a feat tax for existing.
Hmmm. interesting. Though I am also curious, because using the Feat, it can also allow you to roll on a table that has various replacement or additional effects/abilities. That's something that's specific to the feat though, I believe.
Though the Fiendish Heritage feat may not be necessary for the alternate Tiefling types, I'm assuming that it 'would' be required to have the feat to get anything on that chart, yes?
And btw, this is not for a PFS game, but is still good to know more about this as well. Because the d20pfsrd site wasn't particularly clear whetheer the feat was necessary or not. And Hero Lab let me choose the different heritage, but wasn't sure about it. So my ST had me take the feat anyways. But I ended up rolling on the chart to gain a +2 to Charisma, so I'm not complaining too much. The stat bump is worth a feat, I think.
You can also roll on the table, without the feat.
It is an option, but usually you need DM approval, as some of the abilities are quite strong.
The table is not legal for PFS.
Fiendish Heritage has gone the way of the Ambidexterity.
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