I've gotten the special boon race, and wish to go with an ifrit, since that sorcerer archetype wishcrafter really stands out when there's only three available on hero lab.
I went to the message boards, and google, and have only found a few references that it sounds like a good RP idea, but almost no actual input on playing a wishcrafter.
I see a primary failure right off (and it may be a wrong interpretation of the wording) but having, at most 4-6 other players in the group, the whole make-a-wish-for-one-one-of-these-specific-spells-i-can-cast is pretty ridiculous with a 24 hour limitation. Especially since I cannot benefit from group or personal spell effects. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind setting up a buffer, but in a basic group? 3 requests and bonuses for using the wish as a verbal component are lost. And why would anyone wish specifically for burning hands or fire missle(modded magic missle)? You know they're going to ask and it's going to be a half hour of explanation of why you cant.
Where's the synergy for other fire-themed builds? An ifrit sorcerer doesn't go well with the efreeti bloodline at all? What if I'd wanted to go wizard instead of sorcerer. my only racial in that area is charisma and fire elemental bloodline only.
Why wouldn't I follow an efreeti bloodline wishcrafter? Has anyone had any real play with these issues that i bring up?
And why would anyone wish specifically for burning hands or fire missile (modded magic missle)? You know they're going to ask and it's going to be a half hour of explanation of why you can't.
I don't get what you're saying here. Are you saying some GMs would disallow that kind of wish? Or that your PC wouldn't allow that kind of wish? Or something else?
The point of Wishcrafter's awesomeness is to banter with foes and interpret that banter into "wishes". Bestow Curse is excellent for this. For an example from actual play:
Wishcrafter--Why are you attacking us? Can't we work this out? What do you want from us?
Monster--I want to devour you all!
Noting that whole team includes several large constructs and a huge hydra, Wishcrafter casts bestow curse to simulate the effects of monster having eaten the entire team, causing a -4 penalty to d20 rolls due to intestinal pain
The point of Wishcrafter's awesomeness is to banter with foes and interpret that banter into "wishes". Bestow Curse is excellent for this. For an example from actual play:
Wishcrafter--Why are you attacking us? Can't we work this out? What do you want from us?
Monster--I want to devour you all!
Noting that whole team includes several large constructs and a huge hydra, Wishcrafter casts bestow curse to simulate the effects of monster having eaten the entire team, causing a -4 penalty to d20 rolls due to intestinal pain
This just justified my desire to play a wishcrafter.
That said, I think a friendly list of spells to be wish-aided would be nice for the OP to have.
Off the top of my head... I'm too tired to really think of any. You can always use Burning Gaze to set them on fire, ask them if they want the fire put out, summon and aqueous orb on them, or cast firefall, or something.... Note to self. Sleepy advice giving, bad.
I don't get what you're saying here. Are you saying some GMs would disallow that kind of wish? Or that your PC wouldn't allow that kind of wish? Or something else?I had meant that
a. why would a party member turn to me and specifically say 'I wish you would burning hands this group of monsters.' in any meaningful roleplay fashion, but as others have begun posting, I can see it a bit more if I also use foes against themselves.
and b. why would I take up an archetype that get's a three to five request bonus, then takes 24 hours to recharge, again, this is mitigated if I can use the foes wording to my advantage.
I guess I'm looking also for more synergy with bloodlines that dovetail with the race. Tieflings get two bloodlines in fiendish sorcery, and a feat to add another two. It just seems really logical to include the efreeti bloodline in the charisma bonus.
a. why would a party member turn to me and specifically say 'I wish you would burning hands this group of monsters.' in any meaningful roleplay fashion, but as others have begun posting, I can see it a bit more if I also use foes against themselves.
Because you tell them beforehand: "Hey guys, if you say in combat 'I wish my enemies would be devoured in flames', that would help my spellcasting". Or are you suggesting that other PCs would be deliberately unhelpful? Because that doesn't match my PFS experience very well.
I love the Wishcrafter theme, love it. But the benefits are pretty terrible. The spell is silent...but someone else is providing a verbal component so it's not sneaky. +1 CL is nice, definitely...but that's pretty much it.
I think it should scale into applying X levels of metamagic of your choice for free. For example when a spell is wished for a level 1 Sorcerer, he can cast it with any +1 Metamagic (including Silent if he so chooses and has the feat), without increasing the casting time. The amount of free metamagic you can apply scales up, since you can only grant one creature's wish a day, and you can only cast your "bloodline" spells if someone wishes for them.
Yes, thank goodness you didn't need to say the magic words to your Fireball. Stealth mission accomplished :P
I love the Wishcrafter theme, love it. But the benefits are pretty terrible. The spell is silent...but someone else is providing a verbal component so it's not sneaky. +1 CL is nice, definitely...but that's pretty much it.*Sneaking near the bandit camp, you overhear...*
Bandit A: Man, guard detail is so boring."
Bandit B: Yeah, I wish something exciting would happen."
Wishcrafter: . o O (Granted) *fireball*
Bandit A: YOU JUST HAD TO F*#+IN SAY IT, DIDN'T YOU!?!?!?
+1.
Makes you wonder if it'd be too obvious to name the Ifrit 'Demerest'....