Mad Dog's Ferocious Fetch question


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Mad Dog wrote:

Ferocious Fetch (Ex)

At 5th level, a mad dog's war beast gains Improved Drag as a bonus feat. As a swift action, a mad dog can command her war beast to move toward an opponent within 30 feet and attempt a drag combat maneuver to pull the target back toward the mad dog. The war beast can move before and after performing the maneuver, but this movement counts toward the war beast's total movement during its turn.

This ability replaces improved uncanny dodge.

This ability seems, to me at least, to not require any actions from the animal companion. The swift action, 30 foot range requirement, and movement counts towards all seem to imply that it happens on the Mad Dog's turn, thus allowing the war beast to take his full actions for the round, minus the speed if it decides to move. For this part I just want to make sure that I'm not crazy and this is how others read it.

I do have a question for the boards though; How would you adjudicate this if the Mad Dog is mounted on the war beast? if the MDs mounted you can't exactly "pull the target back toward the mad dog." Would the MD be able to full attack as the war beast hasn't taken any actions to move that round? Seem pretty powerful.

Just to be clear I'm asking for a PFS character, so I'm looking for RAW adjudications, not house rules.

Scarab Sages

The restriction on melee attacks and movement isn't based on the action taken, it's on the distance moved. If the mount moves more than 5 feet, regardless of what action was used for him to do it, the Mad Dog can only make a single melee attack.


Ssalarn wrote:
The restriction on melee attacks and movement isn't based on the action taken, it's on the distance moved. If the mount moves more than 5 feet, regardless of what action was used for him to do it, the Mad Dog can only make a single melee attack.

But the beast gets a full attack? Seems abit silly to me, but thems the rules.=P Thanks for the reply

Scarab Sages

hello, my name is ninja wrote:
Ssalarn wrote:
The restriction on melee attacks and movement isn't based on the action taken, it's on the distance moved. If the mount moves more than 5 feet, regardless of what action was used for him to do it, the Mad Dog can only make a single melee attack.
But the beast gets a full attack? Seems abit silly to me, but thems the rules.=P Thanks for the reply

No problem! It is one of those weird confluences of rules where the pet ends up benefitting more than the owner, but such is life.

Just out of curiosity, what are you riding?


Ssalarn wrote:
hello, my name is ninja wrote:
Ssalarn wrote:
The restriction on melee attacks and movement isn't based on the action taken, it's on the distance moved. If the mount moves more than 5 feet, regardless of what action was used for him to do it, the Mad Dog can only make a single melee attack.
But the beast gets a full attack? Seems abit silly to me, but thems the rules.=P Thanks for the reply

No problem! It is one of those weird confluences of rules where the pet ends up benefitting more than the owner, but such is life.

Just out of curiosity, what are you riding?

Haven't made the character yet, but I was thinking a halfing for medium mounts because frankly the horse and camel kinda suck and waiting till 7th doesn't fit the mounted character style. As for what I'm riding I was thinking either a giant gecko/chameleon for climbing shenanigans (the tongue on the cham. would be funny) or the spinosaurus if I wanted to be kinda broken. 18 base strength with three attacks? and it can rage with me at 4th level with the ferocious beast rage power? That's just mean.

Scarab Sages

Fun choices, both.

For some real goofiness, I was thinking about doing a Wayang with a Panda. Panda's are awesome with their double STR bonus to Bite, and Wayang's are the only small race I'm aware of that doesn't take a hit to STR. Switching out Shadow Magic for Dissolution's Child can actually make it a surprisingly effective build.


I looked at the panda...Das just silly. Why does it get powerful bite? Anyway, for even more goofiness give it the bodyguard animal archtype so you can tell people you have a guard panda.=P Can't ride till 7th though so it's kinda in the same boat as most ACs for medium characters if you want to go that rout.

As for wayangs, while they are the mechanically powerful choice, their background doesn't fit a mounted rager type character. That and the name. You wont be able to get anyone to cast touch spells on you, and enlarge is right out!

Scarab Sages

Lol!


Im not seeing how the linked rules are relevant right here. THe OP never said he was mounted.

Im also trying to understand how this works.

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